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Vampire Gaze or Crown of Thieves for Merc?

Discussion in 'Diablo 2 Community Forum' started by jatna, Jul 20, 2013. | Replies: 26 | Views: 3307

  1. jatna

    jatna IncGamers Member

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    Hi. Which is better for an act 2 freeze aura merc:

    Crown of Thieves Def:332 with 12 life stolen per hit or

    Vampire Gaze Def:252 with 20% damage reduction and 12 points of magic damage reduction?

    The difference in defense is about 100 points when I switch between them. Also with the Vampire gaze the merc looses 7 fire resistance, 20 dex and 50 life.

    Thanks for any useful insight you can give me on this question.
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    juju IncGamers Member

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    what armor on merc?
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    Kitteh IncGamers Site Pal

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    Agree with Kitteh there. And since youve gone with a pretty "tanky" aura on him, why not get him even more tankier!
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    jatna IncGamers Member

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    Merc is wearing "Corpsemourn" ornate plate with 1253 defense. The thing is, Crown of thieves has a higher life leech, and that is his only source. Weapon is insight.
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    Damage will be of a greater concern than a few % of lifesteal.

    But mercs arent that good for doing dmg, compare to your character. So people tend to build them as tanks not as dpsers.

    So stick to the tank build, with Vamp Gaze. And a nice armor with that, which has a little resistances, high def, or even more dr%.
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    I am a huge fan of vamp gaze on my mercs. It has ll although not as high as the CoT, the damage reduction alone makes it better.
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    I play with Andariel's Visage for max DPS on him. Don't know if it is influenced by the fact I play sorc or not.. Killing cold immunes as fast as possible is prio 1, he doesn't die for me anyway.
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    Andariels visage is a whole different story. (str/ias/defense)
    They have a lvlreq of 83 so its for high end characters, in later hell.

    Iirc, CoT and Gaze has a lvlreq of 42ish. And drops in Nightmare.
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    That's a good point, I'll be sure to mule one or two of those whenever I come across them, thanks!
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    so are you saying that the Andariels is a much better choice than the Vamp gaze?
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    That depends very much on what you'll be doing with the character. I never (in Hell P8, Chaos and WSK etc) have to rely on my merc for damage, so I just tank him up instead, in which case VG is better. One of my merc fortitudes is in a SA, so potentially (on lower level characters) I might use AV for that.
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    Yeah, hear Kitteh out.


    I usually build my mercs as tanks. But the "main" character of the ladder, for me, usually ends up with pretty expensive gear. SO I end up, at some point, building his/her merc for dmg aswell.

    Its a transition I make when the character feels overpowered in full games.
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    I have trouble in Baal runs with the hammer immune guys, so I need my merc to dish out some damage and survive, I have a Crown of Thieves on him now but guess I should change. what would be the ideal merc setup for me with this situation? is meditation really that important to have?
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    Lifesteal wont work against the second wave in Baal runs.

    Give him a big stick, and rely on Cleansing Aura and/or Concentration Aura.
    Also, Holy Bolt is your best friend against magic immune undead!
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    Hahahah! Thats a little over the edge isnt it? :D
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    Vg is good. dr, mdr, ll. defense is not imho so important. but i think that ll is more important than others for mercs, so...It depends on dmg (with more dmg is little bit less important ll number). depends on your char and playing style. a2 merc has poor fhr so without hugh life, fhr he can't tank well even with some dr or mdr. e.g. i had one merc with cot with 11% ll. but: it was baba merc and my char was smealot with fanatismus. so aura gave him ias, ar and some dmg. weapon was very nice cruel highland blade with 2x amn. so total ll had 25%! with his hugh dmg and 25% ll was unbeatable and was able to tank two ancients. i have nice memories for this merc :) but it was baba not pala...i think practise beats theory. try both and choice better ;) depends also on armor, there are a lot of better choices and armor is more important than helm. with good armor u can use both. and hf merc is not good, after some patch slowing efect of hf is not so excelent. best tank is defense merc i think...
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    I carry a necro in my cube for higher lvl CE and no need to repair. I just give him cookies on occasion.
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    I've never done it myself, but there are ancient whispers within the SPF that past heroes have lumbered themselves with such an other wise awful weapon^^

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