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[Spoiler] The plot, does anyone even care?

Discussion in 'Diablo 3 General Discussion' started by Deckard Cain, May 25, 2012. | Replies: 141 | Views: 10850

  1. Deckard Cain

    Deckard Cain IncGamers Member

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    I was going to post this in the lore section, but does anyone even check that?

    Does anyone even care that the plot is holy ****, wtf, epic omg, punch yourself in the dick bad. I realize this wasn't going to be a dark game, but my god they could have at least let the plot make some god damn sense.

    Diablo - Ummm.... wtf is doing on here with this guy (or girl?). Blizzard released a short animation clip giving us some background on what is going on between heaven and hell. In the clip imperius kills diablo, and says that the plan has been sprung. Was this really your plan diablo? Have adria get captured by one of your bretheren, know they won't kill her (what she was used for we don't really know), all the other prime evils will get captured into one soulstone which isn't even put together yet and took the ressurrection of some old hoaradrim to reunite. Also, all the evils are in it somehow. THEN, adria would find your daughter to use as your vessel. Ummm what an evil genius plan, seems feasible.

    Which brings me to my next point.

    Adria - Wtf is a demon doing with a human / nephalem woman. I mean wtf... Diablo procreated with adria!?!?!??! WTF?!?!?!??!?!? Was thsi also part of his epic plan? to make a child so that after he was vanquished twice he could use her as a vessel. Why do demons have any interest in having sex with anything, let alone a nephalem or human? And grats for Adria not using her nephalem power to help the people of tristram in D1. She just sat over there in her shack all the way out of town making some ****ing potions and selling you books of spells (ohhh and having sex with diablo on the side). WTF. Maybe just poison the guy that was trying to kill diablo and mess his **** up if you love diablo so much. Why write this MINOR character back in the game if it is going to make absolutely no ****ing sense at all, I don't understand.

    Leah - This is diablo's vessel? His daughter thingy? I mean wtf. In D2 diablo had an epic vessel, the extremely powerful warrior which killed him in the previous title. Sure, it made little sense as to why the warrior shoved the soulstone in his head, BUT IT STILL MADE SOME SENSE. One could rationalize that the warrior wanted to contain diablo and thought he could because he was powerful, or maybe the warrior had gone mad after the quest through hell. It also felt much more epic, you were slaying the previous warrior and Diablo was somehow more epic because he had a strong vessel. Leah on the other hand is a whiny little wench that constantly states she has no clue how to use her powers. Cool vessel bro. Lets just write in a new character to add nothing to the story. If this girl comes back in an expansion for some unknown reason it is going to kill me. I have no attachment to her, she was nothing but boring, yet something tells me they will bring her back.

    Black Soulstone - This thing makes no sense. None. Zilch. You need to acquire it by reviving some old dude to get it for you. Sure, ill live with that. BUT IT HAS ALL THE EVILS IN IT ALREADY (besides belial and azmodan)?!?!?!?!? I MEAN WTF. WTF!!!!!!!!!!! I thought we smashed diablo and mephisto's soulstone in the previous game. I don't recall anything happening to baal's, but we had it. Just wtf!??!?! It's like the devs were thinking 'ohhh soulstones were cool in D2, lets just combine them into one and it will be even cooler!'

    Magda - Another WTF moment for me. Who is this fairy looking *****, and what does she have to do with the world of sanctuary. I mean... wtf. She is so lame. Why not have any other sort of character play this role, it is so weak.

    Cain - the dude died. finally. congrats at getting something right.

    Tyreal - I thought what happened with him was pretty awesome in the story. Leaves a whole hell of a lot of questions, but all that happened had at least made some sort of sense. Not like the other mind bogglingly stupid crap.

    Worldstone - For those of you that remember the plot line from D2, the worldstone was destroyed. Luckily for sanctuary that apparently had little to no effect for anyone. In fact, that is too complicated for blizzard so lets just NOT TALK ABOUT IT. Instead, lets write in some black soulstone to combine all the evils into one so we can make diablo feel epic because he / she is now some super evil demon. I mean, not like the destruction of the world stone could have allowed for all the demons to flow through hell into sanctuary. How can we work with that plot?!?!?! HOW?!?!?! Maybe they could say that after coming through that portal the demons are at full force as opposed to being a weaker version bound to a soulstone. Maybe going this route would have allowed them to not have to make some completely *** rotten plot that makes ABSOLUTEY NO SENSE, and it could have been not based around Adria. IDK, who the hell am I, I don't write stories for video games.

    Overall- Ug. Just ugg.... The plot is so bad it makes me want to smash my head into a wall. They got some things right like killing off cain, and the tyreal plot line is pretty interesting so far. But wow... they got so much wrong it hurts. I understand the plot isn't going to be super dark and gruesome, but the least they could have done was have the plot make some sort of sense. This plot is epic fail, reminiscent of Star Wars episode one (maybe I'm just looking at Star Wars 4/5/6 with rose tinted glasses though). Lets just forget about any of the plot from D2 and make some bright shiny meteor to help you forget about it. Why?

    Sure, it doesn't really affect the gameplay, but the way it is set up now we are forced to listen to the plot every.got.dam.time. we play this game. It is so bad I think they could have let a 10 year old child write it.

    end rant.
  2. Axamas

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    Agreed...the plot is very poor and incoherent (even if it is a fantasy story)

    I don't care too much, for after looking at the videos during my first achievement in normal, I won't anymore thereafter nor will I listen to the quest "dialogues".

    But, overall, it's a shame for a game that had been in work for 10 years.
  3. Ethix

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    Because you took the time to write this and will probably get tanked by fanboys, I will agree with you. The story is fairly lame. I'm sure they will use the excuse, its not about the story its about the action to excuse this mess I'm sure. One would think after 6-7 years of time that this iteration took to make the creative writers of the story would of decided, "ya know, this story is ****ing retarded", and fixed it. I could of wrote a better story then they did in that amount of time.

    It's a shame the lore goers waited so long for this. What's worse, we get to hear this damn story over and over while we item grind until they decide to give us the option to turn the **** off.

    Good points, honestly you could of gone on about more of it.
  4. Ace_wanderer

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    It's really bad I'm just disregarding the entire story line. Diablo 2's story although it wasn't as good as Diablo 1 opened up a lot of the world and the story is never thrown in your face. it was in the background and soaked through the game. The Diablo 3 story is just contrived and gets in the way.
  5. buddah

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    The previous Diablo games were all style and no substance, and I loved it. Video games don't necessarily need substance because you create your own with imagination. D3 has neither style or substance. And the most baffling mistake is that they thought it was a good idea to have to the bad story imposed on the players so much that they have to constantly hit esc while playing

    *Adding a mandatory "the gameplay is still good" just to calm down certain people lol
  6. GreenDiablo

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    Liked D1 and D2's story better...darker, more 'real', made more sense.

    D3's story is kind of like...wtf?!?

    With that said, the franchise for me has never been about the story...it's just the hack and slash pvp fun
  7. Sky Tan

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    You did, and me too.
    A bit weak and the ending was pretty MEH.

    This is my ultimate MEH....oh so you left me with "YOU . the TS" to mark the soulstones. <----------Huh...tats all.?

    You forgot about Butcher. THe ACT 1 BOSS where the hell did he came from i was thinking it might be magdha instead.

    And who was destroyed on the HellForge? Poor memory me. Was it Mephisto?
    Someone can enlightened me? So before D3 we slain any Evils their souls just go back to Hell and we wait for them to come back??
    So Diablo's , Baal, Duriel , Andariel. ....

    And with the Black Soulstone story i thought BLizzard can do more on the Final fight.
    I would love to see battling out the 6 other Evils (probably moderated diffculty) one after another till the last Diablo fight.



    I think Adria is in the expansion.

    *edit

    But seriously after the hardcovers stuffs and the actual game is not matching up the standards they set themselves.
  8. snowieken

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    I think we can safely conclude that the story, for a lot of people, is... wtf.

    On a more serious note, it did start better than it ended. I loved the first cinematics, actually, and while the one at the end of act I was a tad bit cheesy (Tyrael ripping off wings), I couldn't help feeling engrossed. It was a good cinematic. But the question you raise is a valid one: does anyone care? For an ARPG, story is fine. I've seen a lot worse.
  9. Valeli

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    Yeah... I don't really like the story either. Especially the ending.

    In re: this though, my impression is that she had a child with the warrior player/charachter from diablo one (before he was possessed by diablo? after he was possessed? unclear.) I like to pretend it's before he was possessed, and then Adria developed all sorts of mental problems inducing her to sacrifice their child in an effort to bring him back.

    That's more interesting to me than assuming Adria had some unbelievably intricate scheme going on these past 20 years, including the time she spent the original hero kill diablo, which is a bit hard to explain away.

    But whatever. Yeah. It's not a great story.
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    To answer the thread title. Care factor is 0.
  11. Sky Tan

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    yeah...it was pretty hard to swallow when the put it out that way.


  12. Ace_wanderer

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    Also after you kill Izual don't you redeem him in a sort of way? It's rather stupid to have him revert back to his old ways with a cheesy line.
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    You don't redeem Izual, no. He gloats when you kill his demonic body.

    I don't really care about what the OP's going on about. It seems pointless to expend that much energy on hating something.
  14. Sky Tan

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    @Bella

    :)

    not too much about hating, more of a bit disappointment.
    Chris MEtzen was saying interview after interview they are fixing the story up ..blah blah...and they are so amazed with the story telling in D3. And we expected no less then we get this.
  15. Brother Laz

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    They messed up Adria. It's like they just wanted to forcefully bring back the past (in the way the PT Cruiser did) and looked through the D1 NPCs and went "It says she's a witch so she's evil right?".

    BLAH
    BLAH
    BLAH

    D1 Adria greeting: "I sense a soul in search of answers" (about as annoying as Cain btw). Hard to believe this person would immediately go on to resurrect Diablo willingly. And if unwillingly... Oh hey let's sleep with the crazy guy with the soulstone in his mug, no way this could go wrong, right? Idiot.
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    The plot, dialogue and focus on questing when item hunting is something I find tideous. When collecting 5 stacks of nephalem valor you are better of doing it in a quest since you get reward for it. Annoying having to press spacebar through the same conversations over and over and over. Also annoyance with mini cutscenes before act bosses and mini bosses when you are farming them with 5 stacks, thinking of butcher specifically.
    It stops the flow of the game even though they are small interruptions that goes very fast by if you spam spacebar. I mean to make an example, how fun would it be in D2 if every time you went to the pit to farm some gear you had to listen to some blabberings and lore stuff.
  17. Brother Laz

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    Especially because the lore is pretty awful. I don't mind lore if it is actually good, which this is not.
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    I quite enjoyed the story. I'm not really very deep into all the lore and stuff so it made enough sense for me. I don't expect the same quality as a good book or movie. I expect the same quality as a run of the mill action flick, which it achieved and served its purpose to guide you past all kinds of nice monsters to slay. I didn't find the story worse than D1 or D2 though, those stories weren't that great either.

    I do agree that the cut scenes should only be played the first time you attempt something, perhaps once for each character, once each difficulty tops.
  19. LayneStaley

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    I mean, technically yes it is pointless, because there's not a damn thing that can be done about it at this point. But a AAA title, in development for how many years, with tons of interesting lore and avenues to explore, you think the least they could do was make a semi-coherent plot??

    You can argue that the story is not the most important thing in a game like this, and to a certain point I agree. The plot can take second fiddle to the monster bashing and loot finding if you're the kind of gamer who doesn't really follow the storyline closely. But with Diablo you have a series that has found it's storyline expanded and explored immensely, through books, comics, that little 5-minute movie Wrath. It's obvious that Blizzard wanted us to care about what has happened in Sanctuary. They wanted us to get swept up into the fight for this world and the characters within it.

    The gameplay and art design do a great job of sucking us into this world as well. When I started the game up for the first time, I was so excited to discover what the meteor was, to go on this dark journey to save mankind once again. But as time goes by, the story just completely brings me out of the action, because I no longer understand what I'm doing or why I'm doing it. It seems like they're more interested in going down nostalgia road, throwing in bosses like the Skeleton King, The Butcher, Izual (seriously wtf is up with that) and letting the story just glaze over why the hell we would be fighting them in the first place.

    Act 2 is the worst in my opinion. We spend so much time just following blindly the orders of Emperor Hakan, who is obviously Belial there really isn't any mystery or intrigue about it, and Adria, who seems like she's on our side but as soon as we go on the quest to get Kulle's body it's pretty obvious where this is headed. And this five-part quest to get his body is just so redundant and boring. I mean come on how boring of a quest is it to spend all that time getting a head, body, blood, and all of the things in between just to reach these items, just so we can have a mini boss fight and understand even less about what's going on. And at the end we just know Hakan is Belial. I kept expecting some big plot twist that would reveal Hakan, or atleast give his outing some gusto, but nope your character just calls him Belial and then you fight. Talk about a let down. This is the Lord of Lies! Let's have some real intrigue and cloak-and-dagger stuff going on.

    But an even bigger wtf is Leah. I mentioned this in another thread, but how lazy are the writers? It's like they painted themselves in a corner after the end of Diablo 2. How are they going to bring back Diablo? Obviously since this is all fictional and built in the world of fantasy, you have a lot of leeway to create your own avenues to further the plot. But their answer is to create a brand-new character, pigeon-hole her into the most important aspects of the lore to make her seem important (Aiden's daughter, Brought up by Cain, etc) just so they can conveniently use her as the vessel for Diablo's return. She serves absolutely no other purpose in the storyline, and spends most of the game doing absolutely nothing because of this reason.

    So to sum it up, sure you can overlook the story if you want, but for as big as Blizzard is, how long they spent creating this game, and especially because of the fantastic stories that have come before it, they should be ashamed of themselves for dropping the ball on the story like that. There's just no excuse in my opinion.


  20. buddah

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    Even if we don't redeem him, it's very trite to bring him back. From the player quotes and Tyrael's speech after killing him it's pretty clear that he is finally put to rest. Just another lame aspect of the story.


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