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Romney and Bain?

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  1. BobCox2

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    This is starting to get good.

    http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/obama-bain-romney-prove-it.php?ref=fpb

    And apparently it's Obama's fault. :whyyou:

    http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...t-rhoades-stephanie-cutter.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

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    I'm not sure where this is gonna go, but in a political sense, it's already gone there. The questions about the time in question are based on the fact that Bain was outsourcing and investing in companies that specialized in outsourcing during that period. This is something that the Obama people are going to be able hang around his neck, whether he had any involvement in it or not during that time. And in a sense, that's not entirely misplaced, because if you are technically at the head of an organization, the buck (and muck) still stops with you, whether you actually had anything to do with it or not.

    However, there are a variety of companies and interests he's been involved in that leave a lot of room for speculation. Between that and his offshore tax evasion, this is pretty messy for him. I'm not sure he has any choice but to release all of his tax returns (which he's the first presidential candidate in decades to not have done). The main problem for him is that even if everything is legal and technically square, it represents some of the exact things about certain wealthy people (and laws) that everyone else despises. Even if it's legal, the common feeling is that those kind of activities are morally reprehensible and unpatriotic. That's going to stick.
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    You two just HAD to make me lose my beautiful binary postcount, didn't you?
    No, just starting to get disgusting. Using open lies and fabricating some sort of scandal is only something truly moronic voters will fall for, and anyone who seriously entertains the "eat the rich" chorus of the blatantly hypocritical Obama administration deserves the breadline they're standing in.
    Bob, a word of advice: "don’t let your blind loyalty to this president make you look foolish"
    Not really; I have to clean up after a new puppy and these "mistakes" never go away, even when you put them in the toilet bowl - they just keep dribbling out and leave a stench that cuts through any masking odors. The only solution is sometimes a good brutal arse-whuppin'...
    Not if you lie about it, and then double down on the lie. Calling Romney a felon is blowing up in Obama's face, to the point that the WaPo can't hide the fact (link above) and the only reason he's not pilloried for it is the leftist control of the media.
    Yeah, funny that, how y'all only apply that metric on one side of the political aisle. After all, President Romney has one feck-load of misconduct, scandal, and economic ruin to answer for over the last three years of his term.

    Hypocrisy much?
    Not so much, sorry. As unpatriotic, say, as when President Bush planted poisoned birth control pills that resulted in hundreds dead just to substantiate pro-lifer talking points?



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    LOL where did you get the idea I like O'Bama? ROTFL

    I'm just hoping Congress gets the right mix of Dem's and Tea party + Libs to get something done [Congress - do something? - I'm fooling myself.] and the public shows how disgusted it is with the system and choices it presents.

    But at least Ron Paul is done and now I get to watch you try to support the lost cause the Republicans are running this year.

    Peanuts! PeaNut's Here! Get them while they're hot

    :D


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    You're pushing for a Democrat-controlled Congress, like the one Obama had for most of his term - you know, like the same ones that caused the "Bush" recession?
    I will find it very difficult to ever countenance Democrat leadership ever again. The brief hope I had when some Blue Dogs sounded like they actually had some honesty vanished in the wake of their socialist conformity. The Democrat-socialist party has no legitimacy remaining; they exposed that when they ousted ultra-liberal Joe Lieberman for his lack of ideological purity. Why do you think he, Webb, Zell Miller, and even Ronald Reagan left the "Left"?



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    On CNN, another Romney surrogate, Ed Gillepsie, said the candidate's departure for the Olympics was originally planned as a "leave of absence."
    "He ended up not going back at all and retired retroactively to February of 1999 as a result," Gillepsie said.
    The statement has set the liberal blogosphere ablaze, "Ed Gillepsie" and "#retroactively" holding positions in the top 10 U.S. Twitter trends as of press time.
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    Oh come on. what could possibly be in there? I bet he just had a year or two where he owed some stupidly small amount in taxes, and everyone's making a big to-do about nothing. I mean what are you expecting? We already know the guy is rich. So what? The only thing that matters on romney and taxes is right here:

    http://taxpolicycenter.org/taxtopics/romney-plan.cfm
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    But... but he's *RICH*! He hides his money! He IS the 1%!! No, really!! He's a felon (maybe)!! No, wait, He's BANE!!! LET'S GET HIM!!!!ONE!



    Oh, uh, I'm sorry, did you actually think these attacks are meant to be anything aside from a cheesy "Obami Mind Trick"? Well, just look at some other shiny object while even more massive taxes are rammed brutally up your arse, and I promise even more "investment" is on the way to soothe that anal tearing...



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    All of that can easily be answered by saying hey the tax code is a joke, and if elected i'll work to make sure that the taxes are fixed so people pay much closer to the same tax rates. Mr. Obama wants to talk about fairness, I had to hire a team of 25 (or whatever it is) people to handle my taxes. depending on your deductions, everyone here is paying different rates on their taxes, and it doesn't necessarily mean those paying more are making more. As governor, i could only make changes to my state's tax code, but as president, i will work to make taxes fairer. I will work to simpflify the tax code.

    Or something like that.


    I wouldn't even respond to the felony thing. that's clearly a joke.


    Anyway, it's still annoying that we have to suffer through this crap, when there's an election coming up and real stuff is on the line.



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    Steve!! So much for you being jm's new evil, progressive adversary!! :p

    It would have been nice if it lasted forever, but alas... :p

    The felony part was likely a bit of hyperbole, but the rest remains up in the air until Romney proves otherwise. The Obama folks still have a lot of catching up to do if they want to compete with completely fictional "Obama" that the Right has been making up to run against for the last 3 years, since they can't run against the real Obama. The caricature they've created is only marginally more valid than "Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter".

    You mean how he is the smallest government spender since Eisenhower? Or maybe he should get the blame for Congress willfully neglecting to do their job and actually legislate? Oh wait, you do try to blame him for the Republican Congress trying desperately to tank the economy last year to ruin his re-election chances. What's their approval again? Has it dipped below Casey Anthony's yet?

    LOL, Ann Coulter. The conspiracy no one's talking about, right? Because the basis is "OBAMAS COMMIN FER YER GUNS!!!", and that falls completely flat when you realize that anti-gun folks think Obama is just as bad on gun control as the Nationalist Republican Army does. Obama doesn't give a flying **** about your guns, but the NRA, being the donation collection scam that they are, has to make something up to keep getting rich from redneck paranoia.

    :rolf: Obama giving money to his kids is a morally equivalent Tax Shelter to stashing money in foreign banks to for purposes of tax evasion? You should do your civic duty and run the Romney campaign, to guarantee they lose.

    All this fun stuff aside, I never said the approach was the best one with the most integrity. It's not, and generally I'd like a world where politics like this didn't go on. I'd also like to see a live Unicorn one day. I was just saying that given the eat the rich sentiment out there (which valid or invalid still exists), this is a crass political tactic that will stick to Romney. No one likes outsourcing, tax shelters, or closing down factories for profit, and how much of this occurred is still up in the air, and Romney obviously figures that's better than what is in his past tax returns.

    ---

    Everyone who says something he doesn't approve of must be in league with the Anti-Christ, didn't you get the memo?

    I hope your right. As long as one side will never bend on entitlements and spending, and the other side would rather smother their own grandmother in her sleep than raise a dime in taxes, the debt will just grow and grow and grow. Without compromise, we'll just drown in the ocean of our own stubbornness.

    *goes shopping for scuba gear*


  13. BobCox2

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    Write in BobCox2 for PreZ!

    Again if I vote at all this election it will be for neither Obama or Romney as a Presidential choice as that's false alternatives.



    Sometimes I vote against something or someone that I really don't want though.


    Now Back to the Entertainment value Headlines of JMervyn and Friends.
    Rush Limbaugh believes the name of the villain "Bane" from The Dark Knight Rises is tied to an anti-Romney conspiracy plot.
    The only consistently valuable by-product of politics.
    Check out the media splash Viacom Direct TV and Comedy Central worked up after Jon Stewart
    called them out.
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    Seeing as how you started glazing mine eyes by the second sentence, don't you see *WHY* the "Say Anything" Presidency is taking this angle? Also, read my replies to Bob and Techno further down regarding morons and comprehension.
    Nope. They're quite serious. Debbie Downer piled on, as did Reid, Waxman, Durbin, McConnell, Pelosi (not so strongly because she's helped rake in $25m from outsourcing), and O's deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter. So when all you have is lying and calling your opponent a crook... wow, talk about new tone!

    “So to repeat, this is not a distraction. This is what this campaign is going to be about.” - Barack Obama

    Hey, if it worked with "7 of 9", it's gonna work here!
    Yeah, well, even stopped clocks have to eat.
    Exactly. The "felony" is an outright lie, like pretty much everything that comes from the Executive, but as you exemplify, it creates a question in the minds of the... well, weak minded. It doesn't MATTER that Obama's camp are lying, deceitful sacks of shyte; as long as the Romneybot is clinging to some idiotic belief that these people wouldn't shoot him in the back of the head if they thought they could get away with it, he's going to LOSE.
    Oh, please, do tell. Child of the COMINTERN? Close personal friend of multiple terrorists? Steeped in the culture of Chicago corruption? Uncompromising Progressive breaking laws to enrich co-conspirators and defraud investors? Deceitful in his plans to socialize American health care and take over 1/7 (more) of the U.S. economy? Co-author of a scandal that makes Watergate look like chicken feed?

    I <DO> await your lies... er, explanations...
    Reference the term, "moron", previously mentioned. Obama had a rock-solid Democrat majority all this time - you know, the one that tanked the economy and blamed it on Bush? - but oh noes, suddenly it's all those wascawwy Wepubwicans! Do you actually believe this stupid bullshyte, or are you simply disinterested? Neither side is clean, but you're slurping down MSNBC spooge.
    This is another lie. Check your history before making such moronic statements. Obama is an incredibly strong anti-2nd-Amendment proponent; it's nearly as high on his list as infanticide, "spreading the wealth", and union favoritism.
    You sure you want to use "morals" and "Obama" in the same sentence? Tax Shelters are Tax Shelters, hiding cash is hiding cash, and Obama proves once again that you don't care if he's brutally rogering you in the arse as long as he's not Republican. Heck, if it was Romney putting money in his kids' accounts, you'd be screaming with "think of the chillllldreennnn" outrage; it's substantially more immoral to cynically use your children to avoid taxes.
    My point exactly. It doesn't matter that NONE of it is true, and that the Obama camp is lying pretty much every time their lips move - it's that they have absolutely nothing positive to say about THE WON, they realize they won't have anything positive to say before November, and so the only thing they can do is Marxism 101 and hope that they have enough laughably stupid Progressive Proles (such as you?) to storm the Bastille.
    Just because you're not in the same country as Stalin hardly means you're not somewhere along the continuum. You believe that people must be guided, ruled and subjugated to some degree in order to achieve a good society, while I do not.
    Ok, so Bob, here you've demonstrate the same sub-moron-level comprehension that I referred to above, AND which I heard on the pop radio station this morning - which is critical to the Obama campaign. An Obama campaign surrogate, Chris Lehane, is the one quoted as floating the "Bain-Bane" tie which I originally linked, but the Obama camp are masters of political Jiujitsu. They launched this stupid, preposterous attack, but then they claim that the inevitable reaction to their stupidity is actually the initial action, taken by unhinged conservatives (in this case, "misogynist" Rush). They polished this practice defending Obama's extraordinary secrecy and dishonesty about his past; whenever someone came up with a legitimate question, they would cry "BIRTHER" and pound the sympathetic eardrums on MSNBC, The Daily Show, Buzzfeed, Huffpo, Kos, and the rest.

    I expect any number of such examples before November. When THE WON is unconsciously spouting his familiar and beloved Marxist tripe (I blame the flashcards) the only way to cover it up is to scream loudly and angrily how obscene and insane even thinking he's a Marxist really is.



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    *yawn*

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    When it comes to "morons and comprehension"

    :D

    I put you right up there in The Michele Bachmann Zone.

    You are too far right for Fox News, and Linking something before I independently link a different news item on the same subject in another context, does not mean you linked it first or own the definitive opinion on it for non-morons.

    :D

    Nice try though.
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    Uh huh, so you assert that my calling BS on the Bain claim, as well as the Bane-Bain claim, is the same as Bachmann mentioning in passing that Abedin is Muslim Bros. leadership. Yet <I'm> the one who makes unsupported accusations.

    Ok, then try this on for size:
    EDIT - also fun, from
    [h=2]Hey guys, “Bain” sounds like “Bane”![/h]
    [​IMG]



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    yup, so much for that. My only real adversary is mindlessly taking a side and not admitting when your completely off base. What did Kris call it? Polemics?

    It annoys me when presidents are blamed for economic production. This "greatest recession" was caused by both parties over the course of decades and no one having the foresight or the balls to stop it, and people making decisions that we should have foreseen. Nothing I've heard from Obama or Romney will pull us out of this mess. Really, what we need is time, and a desire to make something other than iPad Aps.


    perhaps, but Rush isn't dumb. I'm sure he's found a way to spin it so it looks like the liberals are the bad guys. He's got like 20 years of experience so he's not letting this coincidence go to waste. In fact, i bet it's pretty funny. i always thought rush put on a good show.

    Actually in one of those links there was a fantastic comment. I have to repost it. I'm sorry whomever I stole it from.

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    Haha, speaking of complete lies, Mitt's new ad shows 'Bama saying that "If you have a business, you didn't build that, somebody else did", when he actually said that if you have a business, people like teachers and mentors helped you along the way and you didn't build the roads and bridges you use. Keepin' it classy there, Willard!! The unfortunate fellow in the ad later acknowledged on Neil Cavuto that Obama was right.

    /popcorn
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    Does anyone watch political ad's?

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