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Rabies Switch: -30/30 vs. DWeb

Discussion in 'Druid' started by Sechler, Apr 5, 2007. | Replies: 34 | Views: 6906

  1. Sechler

    Sechler IncGamers Member

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    Rabies Switch: -30/30 vs. DWeb

    Havent really tested this or run calculations, but just a thought. Wouldn't you achieve a higher fast switch rabies dmg with a -30/30 psn facet wep in comparison to a -50 deaths. Sure you lose -30 to res, but u gain 9-10k psn dmg over the same duration. :scratch:
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    Mmm it can go either way. 30/30 is better if they stack their res to the point where even dweb won't lower it. However, I tend to think that on a more general level -res is better than +dmg. Don't forget that most facet the dweb too, making the difference small at best.
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    death web 5/5 + 4x 5/5 monarch > 6x5/5 + 4x 5/5 monarch. all tested etc etc :)
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    You cant jus say that.... Like Verashiden sayd it depends on the opponents setup. sometimes 30/30 will be better than a perfect DW
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    Thanks to those who contributed to this thread. I just started a fury/rabies wolf and this showed me how to improve my rabies damage. :thumbsup:
  6. Sechler

    Sechler IncGamers Member

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    Well so... which way did u go? :wink:



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    ImMaClone IncGamers Member

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    I went with the dweb setup because I have one available.
  8. Verashiden

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    Always a good reason XD
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    callmejay IncGamers Member

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    9 times out of 10
    -res will beat out dmg
    i just dont see ppl stacking psn res that high to the point where dmg would be more important.

    dweb is more of a favorite due to the +skills also
    you can easily go around with mass life on a wolf without the need for a cta
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    Verashiden IncGamers Member

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    I've never used CTA on my Wolf >.>. Pretty funny to kill BOed Smiters with BO ^_^.
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    Rabies with plaguebearer, swith to grief pb and fury
    nothign else comes close to this in effectiveness.
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    Summerfun IncGamers Member

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    Rabies with Greif/botd and storm
    Switch to DW and 20/-20
    Then switch back to main weapon and fury.

    thats 10 times better
  13. trooper

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    no it's not



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    I can't believe I have to type al of this crap again omfg...

    You can basically have either 85k+ rabies with -25% or 30-50k rabies with -75%, now we need to determine which is bettter to have

    There are basically 3 differant situations you can come up against.
    Your eenmy will have crappy poison res, decent poison res (75 about) or stacked posion res

    situation 1, crappy poison res. so in hell your target has 5 poison res, after the -75 res he has -70, so you're doing 70% more damage for a total of 50k * 1.7 =85k damage

    or you can have 85k posion damage with -25 res, well if he has -20 after, you do 85k * 1.20 = 102k

    not that it really matters becasue if they have crappy poison res they're goign to die quickly regardless of your setup

    situation 2: they have decent res say 75 in hell without stack
    after -75% they have 0 so you do 30-50k damage
    or after -25% they still have 50 res so you're only doing about 42k damage
    the dweb is slightly better, but i have yet to see 85k rabies ever fail to kill anythign in 1 hit

    and situation 3, which i think will be the most common, stacked res is ez on any char and it's nto liek you're a cold sorc, will be stacked res.
    so say they've got 75% res stacked to 100, which is ez, especialyl since so many chars have treks
    you can do 30-50k damage, your -res will do nothign so they'll cut your damage to under 10k

    or you can have 85k damage which will be over 21k, clearly plague bearer is better.

    dweb is slightly better in 1 type of situation, hardly the choice I'd make.
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    If they are only stacked to 100, then your 75 -res will bring them down to 25, while with the plague bearer they will stay at 75. They would have to have it stacked up to 150 for dweb to have NO effect on it (although there's diminishing effects as they go higher and higher, eventually there's a breakpoint where dweb becomes worse than plague, but its too early for me to figure that out.



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    Trooper... you're... nevermind.

    You're forgetting to take into account how SLOW Plague Bearer is. It doesn't matter if you have insane Rabies damage if you can't:

    A) Hit them before they kill you (Smiter).

    B) Get a hit through their block (Any max block dueler).

    And where are you getting these numbers? PvP penalty is 1/6 BEFORE resistances is checked.

    Just to show you, let's assume they barely hit 75 poison res:

    Grief will reduce their res to 50 so:

    85k / 6 = 14.1k
    14.1k / 2 =7083 dmg over 14 seconds

    Now let's assume facetted DWeb switch/ 20 Monarch under the same conditions:

    -75 res

    45k / 6 = 7.5k

    Since no res we don't have to calculate further.

    So CLEARLY DWeb switch is better than Plague Bearer. And that was with me being generous and giving you you're fabricated 85k Rabies.

    Quit talking, Trooper, you don't know what you're talking about.
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    doesn't matter when pvp penalty is applied learn about math.

    Anyway I'm nto going to argue with someone who can't understand math.
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    Trooper knows his rabies, heed his wisdom.
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    i meant stacked to 100 over 75, which is easy for many charactes with 1 pair of boots and a rign in stash, not to mention all the +to all rs items



  20. Kiba

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    Wonder if a -100 setup would be viable or effective.

    jewelers of whale with facets , dweb etc.

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