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pure Bone Necro in PVM?

Discussion in 'Necromancer' started by Davidus, May 18, 2007. | Replies: 37 | Views: 63910

  1. Davidus

    Davidus IncGamers Member

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    pure Bone Necro in PVM?

    Hi

    I always loved the Bone Necro but never build one^^ Saw the people shooting cool things but the damage not looked that good:p
    but something happened last night... i was in a Diablo run game in hell with hlvl20-60 ppl tring to beat the fisrt monster after the river WP and hopeing for a hammerdin join and help us:D
    than a necro joined...
    ok nice a summon necro:thumbsup: slower but safer run
    wait i dont see a single skeleton! WHAT? 2 bone spear and the urdar pack was done:badteeth:

    if bone necros are that good why i see soo few in PVM?

    i think i start one now:) i love the fact that i can make my ultimate weapon in normal act 2:D
    here is the build

    key skills

    20 spear
    20 spirit
    20 wall
    20 prison
    1 corpse explosion
    1 clay golem+mastery
    1 summon resist
    1 revive vs ubers:thumbsup: rest go here
    curses up to decrepify
  2. Bjorgin

    Bjorgin IncGamers Member

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    It's not a good build for pvm. That necro probably used corpse explosion
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    Davidus IncGamers Member

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    but after the urdar incident he cleared the whole chaos sanctuary:p



  4. Bjorgin

    Bjorgin IncGamers Member

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    With corpse explosion? :azn: Only takes one corpse for a chain of death



  5. OsTo

    OsTo IncGamers Member

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    impossible. dunno what u saw but for all i can tell it was not hell difficultie.

    at lvl 50 bone spear with all sinergies maxed does arround 6K dmg
    urdar at hell player1 got 8346-13600life, multiply that by number of players and u got preatty big number of spears...
    an CE wount help much eighter on players 8 its got very low dmg.

    also if u go for it.. get revive on wand.. and make white wand runeword
    ideal would be +3spear, +3revive, +3 decrepify

    but anyway i realy cant believe that P&B necro killed players 8 CS 98% of people who got boner got it to kill fellow players...

    FYI I got PvP necro and i tryied CS run at players1 it was playeble, but took so long, I could not imagine that at players8.



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    It must have been corpse explosion. Most endgame bonemancers will get 4-6k damage bone spear. 6k if they have low fcr or mana. Like OsTo said, urdars have 8-14k life on single player. How many people were in your game?

    Bone necros aren't believed to be able to kill the ubers either.

    The last possibility is that this guy had some sort of elite hacks.
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    Bjorgin IncGamers Member

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    how is that true when the damage scales with the amount of players in the game?



  8. FrankWest

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    Quoted For Truth. CE is very useful, especially in eight player games. I don't see how anyone can say it doesn't do that much damage... it reflects the corpse's life back at the other monsters. QED - A monster has more life, its corpse - when exploded - will mirror that life in damage (1/2 fire, 1/2 physical) at the other monsters in the range of its effect.



  9. sequoia

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    no, CE doesn't scale up with the monster hp. it behaves as if you're still in players 1, even if there are 8 players in game
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    if that were the case then monsters will have the same hp as a 1p game as they do in 8p. which isnt right...

    ce damages through a % of the original monsters hp, so if a monster is killed in an 8p game where it has 8x more hp, ce will do more damage as it would in a 1p game :undecided:



  11. OsTo

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    pls dont argue about CE dmg on players 8 unless you tryed it.

    logic says CE should be same on any players, any difficultie...
    true is far far away...
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    That is not true. A monster has a base life in a players 1 game. When you get to a players 8 game this base life gets boosted by a percentage. A rather large percentage. When you do a CE in a players 8 game, the life used in the equation is the monsters base life. The bonus the monster got from being in a players 8 game is not factored in. So you are doing less damage than you thought.



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    You just said the monsters base life gets boosted in players 8. And since CE does damage based on monsters base life, how are you losing damage. Unless you mean players 1 base life is what CE uses and the bonus to life in players 8 is a bonus not a new base life, in which case CE becomes less affective.
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    what he is trying to say is that every monster has a base life, and as more players scale up there is a multiplier applied to that base life; the base life itself isn't changed or modified.

    when the game calculates the CE damage from a particular corpse it looks at the monster's base HP, not the current HP (which would be a multiplier applied to the base amount).

    this was done to prevent CE from being too powerful, although it's already awesome as it is.



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    Back in a few of the old patches it did scale. That was cool.



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    If it did scale, people wouldn't need infinity and amp to boost its damage.

    Logic says otherwise, OsTo.
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    read my post again...



  18. MYK

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    So is the bone necromancer a viable character for PVM?

    The only thing I can see that I don't like about his skills are that they just shoot one monster at a time(pierce with bone spear!), but he's also got minion magnet!(bone wall). And then there's the big mana problem...
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    No, it's not very good for PVM. But, it is fun.

    It's very good for PVP.
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    viable in the sense that it can be done...as long as we keep in mind that a lot of builds can be pulled off, but i wouldn't say its one of the more effective builds for pvm

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