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My #17 Matriarch: Willow, a 1.7k+ avg Frost Nova Sorc, moving on to /p1 AT

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  1. Greebo

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    My #17 Matriarch: Willow, a 1.7k+ avg Frost Nova Sorc, moving on to /p1 AT

    Some time ago I gave advice to someone that it might well be very possible to run Ancient Tunnels with a Frost Nova sorceress. Somewhat crazy, I know. But the math seemed to speak for itself.

    Under no circumstances can Frost Nova be considered more powerful than Blizzard. For killing Mephisto or Baal it's like comparing a bazooka to an airgun. The thing about Blizzard though, sometimes a monster keeps standing under two blizzards and nothing hits it for a few seconds.

    How often do monsters die before you have the time to cast a second Blizzard? Not very often. Which means at least 1.8 seconds of waiting. That's 5 Frost Novas. Surely with the right gear, those can kill almost anything, no?

    Thus, Willow was born. I'll split this write-up into two main pieces, one about questing, and one about AT running. I actually went and recorded three gameplay videos for MFing (first time I played around with capture).

    The Name: Willow is named after a character from Whedon's first TV series, Buffy the Vampire Slayer. In the series, Willow is a very powerful witch with a nasty dark side.

    [size=+2]Part 1: Questing[/size]
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    The Design: I wanted to quest through the game with a maxed Frost Nova, which meant about 21-23 points for a backup skill. I decided to go with Nova (which tuned out OK). Overall, Frost Nova / Nova sorceress is pure bliss and fun.

    The way Willow was planned, she was extremely unbalanced: the entire gear and skill allocation was aimed towards maximizing FN damage, and Nova got only scraps and leftovers. I will remake this build one day and try to keep it balanced, dual nova's are so much fun. The way she turned out, Nova was underpowered and FN was way overpowered (yes, that can actually happen).

    Willow, a Level 81 Sorceress
    Code:
    Str 154/156   
    Dex  25/ 46   
    Vit 281/303
    Ene  35/ 25
    
    Life 1,524
    Mana   862
    (after Battle Orders)
    
    Resistances: 32/15/75/-15
    
    LCS highlights:
      -------
      Frost Nova: 1,617-1,815 (avg. 1,716)
      Nova:         686-  920 (avg.   803)
    [highlight]  + 65% CSD (Cold Skill Damage)[/highlight]
      -151% eCR (Enemy Cold Resistance), incl. -11% from gear
      + 15% LSD (Lightning Skill Damage)
      -------
      Defense 2.6k
      FHR  70% [8 frames @  60%]
      FCR 125% [8 frames @ 105%]
    
    Skills
    Frost Nova 20 [45], +synergies 40, Cold Mastery 3 [25]
    Nova 20 [31], Lightning Mastery 1 [12]
    Teleport, TK, Warmth, Frozen Armor, Static: 1 [?]

    Gear
    Weapon: Death's Fathom (+22%, socketed with +5/-4 facet for +27/-4 total CSD)
    Shield: 'Spirit' Monarch, rolled for 112 Mana/ 35 FCR
    Switch: beta 'Call to Arms' + 'Spirit'
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    Helm: Nightwing's Veil (+15% CSD plus +5/-4 facet for +20/-4 total CSD)
    Armor: Frost Nova Ormus Robes (stuffed with a +5/-3 cold facet, total of +18/-3 CSD, +15 LSD)
    Belt: Arachnid Mesh
    Gloves: Trang's
    Boots: Rare 30 FRW, 10 FHR, 33 FireRes, 32 LightRes, 5 MF
    -----
    Amulet: Glacial Amulet of the Apprentice (+3 Cold / 10 FCR) - Big Thanks! to Fabian for trading me this one
    Rings: 2x Stone of Jordan
    -----
    Charms:
    8x Cold Skiller
    9x (Shimmering/Amber/Ruby)small charms (a couple with life)
    Cube, Tome of Identify
    1x1 empty space

    Comments on gear
    There could be some improvements to the gear, but not many. With perfect rolls of DF and Ormus, you could go up from +65 to +75 CSD. Short of that only faceted Monarch could improve this setup, I think. Of course getting the maximum damage out of Frost Nova meant that I really really struggled with resistances. I was below 75 even for lightning until Anya quest. That was very unusual experience for me, most of the time I like to keep resistances at least in the 40's and max Fire and Lightning. I mean, CE bosses hurt me! That was new...

    Moron
    Act 2 Prayer
    'Insight' in a 1.07 eth Thresher
    'Fortitude', Vamp Gaze ('Um')

    Overall
    Fun: 10/10
    Difficulty: 8/10
    Future: many /p1 AT runs

    The journey, remarks & musings
    She started off hitting things with a big hammer on /p8. As soon as she got to level 6, Willow got herself a +3 FN Staff, put on 30 MPK 1.07 haxx and spammed death. Still had to drink quite a few blue pots, but it was reasonable till 15, when I got bored of potion addiction and switched to Ravenbazooka. The most interesting thing was that Cain's portal didn't close.

    Leveled her on /p8 until the moron hit Level 27 and she hit 29 around Travincal and equipped some great gear. Vipermagi, 2x SoJ, Viscecurant, Magefists, Peasant, Eye of Etlich, 'Insight'... Any sorceress can own from level 29. The journey onwards was somewhat uneventful. She could easily handle /p8 NM Baaling with Frost Nova and that's how she got to 75. There I could equip almost my entire gear, except for Arachnid Mesh. Nice thing: she was designed in a way that allowed 105 FCR without the belt.

    Hell was /p1 and... interesting. When I entered it, I had already finished my 21 point Nova, but FN still had some way to go. I had to spend a lot of points on Strength to equip 'Spirit', so even with beta-'CtA' my life was on a low-ish side, barely over 1k. Which is a lot, I know, but for a character with very little resistances and no blocking, things got tricky a few times. Especially that both FN and Nova require you to teleport into a pack of monsters to be really effective. Or really cool, for that matter. FHR from 'Spirit' was crucial here, as well as mana I got off it. I actually rerolled myself 35/112 one. This girl needs a lot of mana. I was still drinking blue pots, even with 'Insight'.

    I leveled her till 80 in the AT /p3 runs (which she could handle with ease similar to how she handles herself in the below videos at /p1, in her MF gear).

    Overall, Frost Nova was very powerful, killing monsters on /p1 was a matter of a couple of casts and it was very, very safe. Nova on the other hand was underpowered. But my moron was doing very decent damage, so it wasn't a big deal. Nice thing about my Nova backup was that it was dealing very nicely with swarming monsters, like Flyers. Killing CI bosses was more of a job for the moron though. Took me a while to kill a CI/PI Thresh Socket.

    Hell HF was an Ist. The two ancients who weren't CI went down like flies, but the third one took a while. Not too long though. Baal's waves were very easy to take on, even at /p3. Didn't take screenie of Lister, since I had an NDE. I ended up killing Baal with FN, but I cast a few Blizzards too.

    I had quite a few deaths, including two because of screenshot taking. She is a glass canon, despite the high life. If you take your eye of her for a moment, she goes down pretty quickly. The only magic absorption was from 'Spirit' and that isn't much. Couple that with no blocking, low defense and low resistances... Yeah, I died quite a few times. Nice thing is, with 20-pt Blizzard, she can easily rescue her body.

    As a final word let me say this: Frost Nova, Nova and War Cry are probably my favorite skills in the game. Spreading outwards from the caster, stunning, chilling or putting monsters in hit recovery, they are just so much fun. I loved playing this character, she was great. Too bad there isn't a "ring of fire" or something. Instead of Inferno. That'd be cool.

    [size=+2]Part 2: AT running[/size]

    As great as Willow's gear was, MF was not a strong suit. So I had to change gear. I underlined what changed, MF in parenthesis:

    Weapon: Death's Fathom (with facet, for the total of +27/-4 CSD)
    Shield: 'Spirit' (35% FCR, 112 Mana)
    Switch: beta-'CtA' + 'Spirit'
    -----
    Helm: Shako (PTopaz) (74)
    Armor: eth Skullder's (PTopaz) (132)
    Belt: Arachnid Mesh
    Gloves: Trang's
    Boots: War Travs (50)
    -----
    Amulet: Glacial Amulet of the Apprentice
    Rings: 2x SoJ
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    Charms:
    GC's: Gheeds (40), 7x Cold Skillers
    SC's: 7FR/5MF, 9FR/5MF, 8LR/3MF, 9LR/5MF, 16Mana/7MF, 10FR/17Life, 10LR/20Life, 11LR/5FHR, 11LR/3FRW (Total of 25 MF)

    Moron: I switched Vamp Gaze for Andy's with 23FRes/15IAS jewel.

    Code:
    Level: 87
    
    Skills:  FN 20 [42], 40 in synergies
             CM 11 [33]
             Frozen Armor 1 [22], TK, TP, Warmth, Static: 1 [12]
    Unspent: 19
    
    Life: 1,832
    Mana: 1,078
    
    Resistances: -13/-5/43/-35
    
    Frost Nova: 1,130-1,273 (avg. [highlight]1201.5[/highlight])
    -184% eCR
    + 27% CSD
    
    Defense: 3.8k
    FHR:  60% [8 frames at  56%]
    FCR: 105% [8 frames at 105%]
    
    [highlight]Magic Find: 321[/highlight]
    
    If I manage to get or craft or find or gamble +2 Cold/10 FCR/MF amulet, I'll use it instead. Actually, a better option would probably be FCR/MF ring and a Glacial Amulet of Good Luck. The thing is, this lady really needs her Mana. 1050 is enough, 850 was more problematic. So giving up a SoJ might be a bad idea. Tough call. For now I don't have either option available to me, so yay!

    I think that 321 MF is plenty and I don't think decreasing her damage for a few MF points is a good idea. I mean, I could throw out 2 skillers for 42 MF, but I'm almost sure I won't do that, although I might try something like this. See how it goes.

    I'm torn about what to do with unspent points. I could dump them into Frozen Armor and upgrade my Skullder's. It's ethereal, so it should require 155 Strength. Together, this could give me a significant boost to Defense. My view is that Sorceress is actually the class where Defense makes sense, since she almost never walks or runs. She's basically casting or hit recovering the whole time. On the other hand, I only have issues with elemental damage, really. And defense won't help me with that even a bit.

    Or I could get a Nova (again) and help the moron kill the CIs. I'm not sure.

    Comments of effectiveness, running methods, etc
    In general, the only way to gain significant MF was to give up more than half of +CSD. Pity. But, at -180 eCD, a 1.2k FN damage will deal 2.4k per cast, which gives over 7.2k damage per second. It's enough. I wouldn't want to go down below 1k, but she'd be fine with a little less. The point is: I don't think this character is MF-viable without at least one source of +CSD, be it armor, helm or orb. I mean, she'd do OK, but would lose to Blizzy. The way she is, she can hold her own in /p1 AT competition.

    By the way: I went with -180 eCR because Spectal Hit, Magic Resistant bosses of three monster types in AT have 80 CR. Since I had the points to spare... I could have settled for -179, obviously, but why not be perfect when you can?

    Willow plays much differently than a Blizzy does. She teleports on top of bosses, spams death and moves on. She can be really fast. I'm not a fast runner by nature but I tried to take a couple of vids (below) to show how good she can be. I think I'll try for a better map in the future too. This one averages a bit over 5 bosses per run, that could be better.

    The teleporting on top of the boss has one significant advantage: often times the moron will start working on the boss right away. That helps a lot. Very often I won't even notice that the boss is CI until it's almost dead, that's how fast they go down. And in that time, the rest of the bosspack is down too, obviously.

    One remark if you want to try and make one of those: be careful not to cast on a monster. If you do that, you stop casting when it dies. You can lock on a boss, but I prefer to lock onto nothing.

    She's very safe, in general. Elemental damage does cause problems, but that's what Rejuvs are for, I believe. I could give up a bit of power or MF for higher resists, but I like her as she is. She's not as boring as my Blizzy was.

    I'm not going to say she is better than a Blizzard Sorceress. At /p1 (and only on /p1) she can be just as good. I was aiming to be as good as Corrupted was in this video and I think I managed to be almost as fast. At higher player settings Blizzard Sorc will win. Things is, at /p3 monsters don't always go into hit recovery and that can cause a world of trouble for a FN Sorc. So yeah, she is purely a /p1 runner.

    Here's the point of all this for me: I have limited patience for running an area or playing a build. I run Meph 12k times and AT about 7k times with Blizzsorc and, well, I'm bored with her. This lady is exciting, new and fun. I'm excited to run AT with her, which I wasn't feeling for quite some time. And she already rewarded me with a Lo. Overall I'm very happy I've made her.

    [size=+2]Part 3: The Good Stuff[/size]
    I recorder a video with six bosspacks, under 40sec. Feel free to watch:

    AT run (6 bosses in under 40 seconds)


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    Thanks to all of you who read through all of this. Took ages to write, but I hope it was a worthwhile read.

    --Greebo

    PS. I pressed "Submit New Thread" about 30 seconds after the squid ate the forum for 2h. I'm so happy I backed this whole post up before doing that... I blame Durf.
     
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    Re: My #17 Matriarch: Willow, a 1.7k+ avg Frost Nova Sorc, moving on to /p1 AT

    Congrats. Frost Nova is pretty darn fun, so hopefully this puts the build on the map again. It surprised me not many others (to my knowledge) gave it a shot after poops, bcoe, and others a while back.

    Just one thing. It's never going to be quite as efficient as a Blizzard sorceress. Definitely more interesting though.

    Also, have you run into any LECE[FE] monsters with that kind of resistance? I can't say for sure, but I can imagine it being problematic, especially for those with more "normal" gear.
     
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    Re: My #17 Matriarch: Willow, a 1.7k+ avg Frost Nova Sorc, moving on to /p1 AT

    Congrats on the awesome character Greebo, definitely a refreshing change to the normal Sorc builds, particularly ones intended for MF'ing. I'm also glad to hear that you enjoy playing her so much...effective build + fun factor = successful character :thumbup:. I'll definitely have to give this build a whirl sometime in the future, although I'm lacking the appropriate gear (namely a DF, and cold skillers)...still, perhaps I'll trial one using a full Tal's set, just to get a feel for the character.

    Also, I enjoyed the write-up and equally impressive vid's. Thanks for taking the time to put it together, and I look forward to future projects from you. Congrats again.

    -PP
     
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    Re: My #17 Matriarch: Willow, a 1.7k+ avg Frost Nova Sorc, moving on to /p1 AT

    Congrats :thumbup: I really love Nova and FN.

    The Cain portal not closing happens when the character is positioned in the spot where the portal opens when it's casted.

    The videos made me realize that I suck at running AT :p
     
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    Re: My #17 Matriarch: Willow, a 1.7k+ avg Frost Nova Sorc, moving on to /p1 AT

    Brilliant write-up. I have a FN-sorc that is my primary AT runner. She's Aix_Sponsa (in the mat/pat thread), though she's been re-specced to be more of a AT-specialist. I have similar gear to yours. My solution for the final points was to max warmth, one point in fire mastery, and put the rest in fire wall. Gives a big boost to mana regen and is useful against CI bosses (though they are reasonably often FI too).
     
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    Re: My #17 Matriarch: Willow, a 1.7k+ avg Frost Nova Sorc, moving on to /p1 AT

    Congratz on another Mat !

    Good write-up. Very detailed. I'll be returning to this thread as I'm leveling a cold sorc at the moment. I only say "cold" sorc because I haven't decided between Blizzard and FNova. Both are interesting, but Blizzard is just classic :p And since I don't have one yet *hide*
     
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    Re: My #17 Matriarch: Willow, a 1.7k+ avg Frost Nova Sorc, moving on to /p1 AT

    Thanks! It's a great build. It requires some decent gear, so certainly not first character, but it's a lot of fun.

    I kind of disagree. She can be equally efficient to Blizzy on /p1, in my view. It depends on your play style, or skill if you prefer. I run AT faster with her than I ever did with my Blizzy. And I like it much more, too.

    I managed 6 bosspacks run in 38-39 seconds. That's the fastest I've ever managed AT. So for me, personally, she is better than Blizzy. I imagine the same can be true for others. Her style of play suits me much much more than Blizzy and I am faster with her than I ever was with Blizzsorc.

    A Blizzsorc on /p3 or higher will beat Willow running /p1 in terms of finds, almost certainly.

    All that is not the point, not for me: I'm not running AT with a Blizzsorc, because I got bored with it. This lady I am not bored with, I find her runs exhilarating. More runs = more finds. That's the bottom line for me. And if she can come to being 80%-90% as efficient as the best Blizzard AT runners (which I think she does), that's good enough for me.

    The first boss in the 2:04 video was something like that. You can see my life disappear quite fast. That's what Rejuvs are for. I only died once running so far. Without 1.8k life it would be much bigger problem. If frozzzen can manage CS with -70's throughout, surely I can manage her, no? ;)

    You are right about the gear. This isn't a runner for beginners.

    The one bcoe mentioned was Mated with Tal's, you might give that a read. I can certainly recommend this build!

    Thanks!

    Thanks! It's nice to know about Cain. It always amazes me that no matter how much I do know about this game, there's still new things to learn.

    The first time I saw Corrupted's video a few years back (I think), my jaw dropped. At the time it was taking me 2:30 to kill 5 bosspacks. I've come along since ;)

    Thanks! That's really nice to hear, especially after it took me many an hour to write it.

    I've read your thread, it was well done! Your setup for questing was certainly more reasonable than mine. I wanted to try to go for max damage FN, but it made my Nova pretty weak.

    That's interesting. I hadn't even thought about it. Mana regeneration is really nice thing on this character, there's no question about it. I forgot about Warmth. I was leaning towards Nova, because LI monsters have the least life (and so are easiest killed by the moron). But I might try FW. That's what respecs are for, right?

    Thanks!

    You should of course do what you enjoy, but I will say this: If I were to do a restart (which I'm really really not), I'd start with a Blizzsorc.

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    Thanks for all the comments!
    --Greebo


     
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    Re: My #17 Matriarch: Willow, a 1.7k+ avg Frost Nova Sorc, moving on to /p1 AT

    Congratz on the cool sorc!
    Ever since I read about jae's dual nove sorc I've been wanting to try a high end Fnova out. After restarting this plan is set back even further, but it's definately on my to-do list.

    Have fun in the AT! :thumbsup:
     
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    Re: My #17 Matriarch: Willow, a 1.7k+ avg Frost Nova Sorc, moving on to /p1 AT

    Perhaps you were referring to this:

    :badteeth:

    Seriously, though, nice writeup for a really nice toon. And those vids are pretty eye-opening.. Makes me want to finally trade for the stuff I need to finish my FN sorc.

    One thing that occurs to me is that you could squeeze out another +skill, at the expense of some MF, if you changed your armor to an 'enigma' (assuming you've got one).

    Good job!


     
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    Re: My #17 Matriarch: Willow, a 1.7k+ avg Frost Nova Sorc, moving on to /p1 AT

    The one thing is you can stack more MF on a Blizzard sorceress. I know you feel 321 is enough, but shooting up to around 700 does give you a tidy 30% boost.

    Aside from that, there's the safety/mana concerns. Blizzard is much safer, and doesn't run into close to as many mana issues (either in planning or practice) as Frost Nova.

    Not that I don't agree with you. I'd much rather use FN than Blizzard. It's just not as efficient is all.
     
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    Re: My #17 Matriarch: Willow, a 1.7k+ avg Frost Nova Sorc, moving on to /p1 AT

    "I'd much rather use FN than Blizzard. It's just not as efficient is all."

    I think this is exactly right. I have a real love affair with Nova and Frost Nova, and I want them to be the best thing(s) ever, but the MF stacking just isn't on FN's side when compared to Blizzard.

    I do really like your character, in any case. I might still make one of my own eventually and try for myself how much killing power you can sacrifice for more MF :)
     
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    Re: My #17 Matriarch: Willow, a 1.7k+ avg Frost Nova Sorc, moving on to /p1 AT

    Thanks!

    Following bcoe's example and making a Tal's sorc might be the best idea if you've restarted recently.

    Thanks! She's definitely worth the investment. Very fun.

    Well, at this point I'm more likely to go the other way: sacrifice skills to go for more MF. But a nice idea nonetheless.

    Well, first off, this can be improved with a minor loss of +skills. Once I get more into this, around level 91, I will experiment a bit more. I feel like I could lose 2 and be OK, but time will tell. I enjoy her power too much for now to play around with that.

    I'm not sure I understand what you mean by 30%. My math (example is false, duh):

    Code:
    A sorc   0 MF kills 100 monsters for 100 DW's. 
    A sorc 321 MF kills 100 monsters for 240 DW's.
    A sorc 700 MF kills 100 monsters for 284 DW's
    
    284/240 = 118.3%
    
    So a jump from 321 to 700 MF means 18.3% increase in #TC87 uniques. If Willow runs 40 sec AT, 700 MF Blizzy has to do 47.2 sec for the same loot. When I put 700 MF on my Blizzy I was slower than that, on a good map. Had to come down to ~500MF to get about 48 sec. But that might just be that I'm not good using Blizzard.

    Yes, you're right. Funny thing is: I enjoy her for what she is, lack of safety and all. It makes it fun and interesting. I play SC...

    I think it depends on the style of play / skill of the player with each Skill. For me, personally, I've done the basic math based on avg. run times with both, and I come up more or less equal, FN ahead 5%. Doesn't mean it will be like this for most people, but it is like that for me.

    Or maybe I just learned to play better since I last run AT with Blizzy. So maybe FN is behind 5% for me. I can live with that.

    Yes, you're right. But they are fun, Blizzsorc can be boring and it's a nice alternative. At the end of the day what matters the most is the total number of runs, with any build.

    Thanks! Go ahead, I'd be very interested to read about this. You seem to have more knack for optimization that I do.

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    Again, thanks for comments!
    --Greebo


     
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    Re: My #17 Matriarch: Willow, a 1.7k+ avg Frost Nova Sorc, moving on to /p1 AT

    Cool sorc!

    I'd like to try one, but I've got this sensation a DF is pretty important for the build, and I'm all out of those... :(

    Also, off-topic.

    Is it just me, or does that doctor's voice sound a lot like the Brain?


     
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    (EDIT: ...or, you know, my math could just be wrong. Looked at the wrong row. +1 spewing out random garbage!)

    In any case, I hope to see at least a few of these popping up to see what kinds of times they record in actual MF tournament conditions. :)
     
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    Re: My #17 Matriarch: Willow, a 1.7k+ avg Frost Nova Sorc, moving on to /p1 AT

    I'd echo Greebo here that FN can be a very competitive AT runner. I've got mine in full tal's (socketed with Ptopaz in helm/armor and Ist in weapon), 2x SoJ, Spirit, Magefists, Wartravellers (50MF). She carries Gheeds, 6x cold skillers, and enough MF small charms to get to 361MF. With the tals, she has plenty of life/mana/resists/FHR, not to mention the +15% cold damage and the MF. She has ~1k max damage on her FN. Her secondary skills are max'd warmth (390% mana regen) and the rest into FW (~3300 damage/sec). She's plenty fast at /p1 (was at ~40sec before I accidently re-rolled her map).

    I find FN far more fun than blizzard. No aiming necessary, no annoying stragglers missed by the blizzard shard. Everything cold-sensitive dies, and there is very little variablility from boss-pack to boss-pack in terms of how many casts it takes. It makes for a more reliable run, and it looks pretty to boot.

    Regarding "efficiency" -- I think that's overrated. The difference between a ~350MF Frost Nova sorc and a ~500MF blizzard sorc will be pretty negligible. I know I'd rather run the FN for an hour than the blizzard for 15 minutes. It really comes down entirely to personal preference. I'd strongly suggest that anyone interested give it a try before judging too much. You don't need a Fathom. Full-tals works great. A combo of shako/occy/skullders/etc would be fine too. As long as you can get to ~1k damage on the FN, it will be plenty.
     
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    Well done! It's really too bad that the Nova skills can't be on left click since teleport is such a big part of its play.

    The videos look great! I'm surprised you don't have the minimap on; for me, even though I've done my AT map thousands of times I still have the minimap on and feel a little lost when it isn't, even though I know my route there quite well...
     
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    Nice videos! What if you combine Frozen Nova with Static Field, though? Like: Static, Static, FN, FN, FN? I'd think it'd speed the process up, at least in higher player settings?
     
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    Actually I'm at -55 now that I got upgrade :p

    Very nice character overall. Lvl 81 is pretty low and once you get to 95+ you should ~300 life. I think best approach for comfortable playing would be to get couple high life cold skillers and use mana/MF small charms instead. You shouldn't have any mana issues with that, or at least I think so. Resist are overrated but life isn't :wink:

    Will add some smart things after exam, since I'll be fairly busy next few hours :p
     
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    Thanks!

    Well, it's good (as it is for any build using cold damage), but not necessary. As I said in the writeup: you need one piece of +CSD on you to make it shine, in my opinion. It can be DF, Nightwing's, Ormus (high-er end) or Tal's. That, plus skillers will do the trick.

    I agree with your entire post, except that bit: I think Occy is an unfortunate choice because of the CtC Teleport. It was really annoying me when leveling. For this build, you're gonna get hit, you want to get hit. 'HotO', Tal's Orb, even Suicide Branch could be good choices.

    Thanks! Yeah, in general I'd like almost all the skills to be available on both mouse buttons. It's the worst for a hammerdin, for me.

    I'm glad you enjoyed the vids. I know the map well enough to get by without the minimap. AT is small enough. I tried doing the same in The Pit, and I kept making mistakes.

    Thanks! About static: for one thing one monster type is LI and it'd require a lot more attentiveness to monsters surrounding her to track if I should static or not. For another, one of the key components here is putting monsters in Hit Recovery. Static doesn't do that.

    I'm shocked. Shocked!

    Thanks!

    I totally agree with the life vs. resists on MF runner. High life cold skillers are expensive, I'd rather allocate my resources elsewhere. Right now I'm 89 and ended up with almost 1,900 life. It makes the runs much more comfortable.

    Well, it's probably too late, but good luck!

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    An amazing sorceress you got there Greebo. I admire your type of sorceress totally. FN is one of my favorite cold-spells. A very nice video also. Keep up the good work sir!
     

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