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High rune drop rate?

Discussion in 'Single Player Forum' started by chrismilk, Jul 26, 2012. | Replies: 31 | Views: 8599

  1. chrismilk

    chrismilk IncGamers Member

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    Just made my summon necro to nightmare act 2 =)

    I was thinking of making enigma in the future, crazy I know, but is it realistic?

    Dunno if I should bother with good runewords considering their rarity.
  2. Fabian

    Fabian IncGamers Member

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    It's very realistic. It's definitely a long term goal, but unlike in pre 1.13 days when high runes basically never dropped, in 1.13d you will get an Enigma eventually if you play enough.
  3. zaphodbrx

    zaphodbrx IncGamers Member

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    High runes drop more often in this patch than previously, but they are still ridiculously rare.
    If you're just in Nightmare act 2 at the moment don't count on getting enigma anytime soon.
  4. EasyG

    EasyG IncGamers Member

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    Here are the runedroprates:
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    Rune   1.13b Chance (1 in X)   1.10 Chance (1 in X) 
    Zod            5171.0          82722.0 
    Cham           1981.4          23637.3 
    Jah            1320.9          15758.2 
    Ber            1475.8          13510.7 
    Sur            983.9           9007.1
    Lo             1091.4          7723.0 
    Ohm            727.6           5148.6 
    Vex            766.5           4415.6 
    Gul            511.0           2943.7 
    Ist            540.4           2525.7 
    Mal            360.3           1683.8 
    Um             367.6           1445.8 
    Pul            245.0           963.8 
    Lem            186.3           725.4 
    Fal            124.2           483.6 
    Ko             95.8            365.2 
    Lum            63.8            243.5 
    Io             50.5            185.1 
    Hel            33.7            123.4 
    Dol            28.1            95.1 
    Shael          18.7            63.4 
    Sol            16.8            50.2 
    Amn            11.2            33.5 
    Thul           13.0            30.7 
    Ort            8.7             20.5 
    Ral            13.0            21.5 
    Tal            8.7             14.3 
    Ith            18.6            17.9 
    Eth            12.4            11.9 
    Nef            26.0            12.5 
    Tir            17.4            8.4 
    Eld            65.1            7.0 
    El             43.4            4.6
    
    So you can expect circa 115 Ort runes and 6-7 runes of Vex and higher each 1000 runes you find, that have high enough lvl to be Zod
  5. pharphis

    pharphis IncGamers Site Pal

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    Pretty realistic. Just run lvl 85 areas (since you're a summoner any - Pit si the main one people do I think) and you'll happen to come across them eventually.
  6. EasyG

    EasyG IncGamers Member

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    Yes, you just have to realise when you run 85 areas, a big part of your runes will come from the sparkly chest that cannot drop all the high runes. Ancient tunnel chest only until Ohm I believe. So you will see less high runes as according to the table I showed.

    I think you can expect to be able to make enigma after circa 200-300 hours farming random champions that can drop ber/jah. So if you average 0,5-1 hour a day then after 1 year.

    If you actively farm runes, for example from high council, then you will be able to make those runewords much faster.



  7. pharphis

    pharphis IncGamers Site Pal

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    But if you're running as a summoner on hopefully higher than p1 doing full clears I don't think you'll get many hrs at all from the superchests (relative to monster hrs).
    For example, during the mfo I did about 1500-2k AT runs (p1) and I got a gul and a mal from the chest. Ber and Lo from mobs, though.
  8. EasyG

    EasyG IncGamers Member

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    this is what i got after 6k AT runs:
    Ohm, Gul, 1xIst, 3x Mal from chest.
    Jah, 2x Vex, 3x Ist, 1x Mal from champions

    So from that small sample, I would say half runes come from chest at /p1.
    small note would be that I dont do full clears, only the uniques and random minions.
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    [TD][FONT=Arial][B]Runes Common(11 of 11) (100.0%)
    [/B][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial][B]Common (11 of 11) (100.0%)
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    [TABLE]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: b"]26[/TD]
    [TD="class: s"]26[/TD]
    [TD="class: c"][/TD]
    [TD="class: e"][/TD]
    [TD="class: r"]El Rune[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: b"]15[/TD]
    [TD="class: s"]15[/TD]
    [TD="class: c"][/TD]
    [TD="class: e"][/TD]
    [TD="class: r"]Eld Rune[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: b"]54[/TD]
    [TD="class: s"]54[/TD]
    [TD="class: c"][/TD]
    [TD="class: e"][/TD]
    [TD="class: r"]Tir Rune[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: b"]32[/TD]
    [TD="class: s"]32[/TD]
    [TD="class: c"][/TD]
    [TD="class: e"][/TD]
    [TD="class: r"]Nef Rune[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: b"]67[/TD]
    [TD="class: s"]67[/TD]
    [TD="class: c"][/TD]
    [TD="class: e"][/TD]
    [TD="class: r"]Eth Rune[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: b"]51[/TD]
    [TD="class: s"]51[/TD]
    [TD="class: c"][/TD]
    [TD="class: e"][/TD]
    [TD="class: r"]Ith Rune[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: b"]121[/TD]
    [TD="class: s"]121[/TD]
    [TD="class: c"][/TD]
    [TD="class: e"][/TD]
    [TD="class: r"]Tal Rune[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: b"]65[/TD]
    [TD="class: s"]65[/TD]
    [TD="class: c"][/TD]
    [TD="class: e"][/TD]
    [TD="class: r"]Ral Rune[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: b"]118[/TD]
    [TD="class: s"]118[/TD]
    [TD="class: c"][/TD]
    [TD="class: e"][/TD]
    [TD="class: r"]Ort Rune[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: b"]64[/TD]
    [TD="class: s"]64[/TD]
    [TD="class: c"][/TD]
    [TD="class: e"][/TD]
    [TD="class: r"]Thul Rune[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: b"]68[/TD]
    [TD="class: s"]68[/TD]
    [TD="class: c"][/TD]
    [TD="class: e"][/TD]
    [TD="class: r"]Amn Rune[/TD]
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    [/TD]
    [TD][FONT=Arial][B]Runes Semi Rare(11 of 11) (100.0%)[/B][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial][B]Semi Rare (11 of 11) (100.0%)[/B][/FONT]
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    [TD="class: b"]50[/TD]
    [TD="class: s"]50[/TD]
    [TD="class: c"][/TD]
    [TD="class: e"][/TD]
    [TD="class: r"]Sol Rune[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: b"]34[/TD]
    [TD="class: s"]34[/TD]
    [TD="class: c"][/TD]
    [TD="class: e"][/TD]
    [TD="class: r"]Shael Rune[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: b"]22[/TD]
    [TD="class: s"]22[/TD]
    [TD="class: c"][/TD]
    [TD="class: e"][/TD]
    [TD="class: r"]Dol Rune[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: b"]21[/TD]
    [TD="class: s"]21[/TD]
    [TD="class: c"][/TD]
    [TD="class: e"][/TD]
    [TD="class: r"]Hel Rune[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: b"]15[/TD]
    [TD="class: s"]15[/TD]
    [TD="class: c"][/TD]
    [TD="class: e"][/TD]
    [TD="class: r"]Io Rune[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: b"]16[/TD]
    [TD="class: s"]16[/TD]
    [TD="class: c"][/TD]
    [TD="class: e"][/TD]
    [TD="class: r"]Lum Rune[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: b"]10[/TD]
    [TD="class: s"]10[/TD]
    [TD="class: c"][/TD]
    [TD="class: e"][/TD]
    [TD="class: r"]Ko Rune[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: b"]11[/TD]
    [TD="class: s"]11[/TD]
    [TD="class: c"][/TD]
    [TD="class: e"][/TD]
    [TD="class: r"]Fal Rune[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: b"]5[/TD]
    [TD="class: s"]5[/TD]
    [TD="class: c"][/TD]
    [TD="class: e"][/TD]
    [TD="class: r"]Lem Rune[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: b"]7[/TD]
    [TD="class: s"]7[/TD]
    [TD="class: c"][/TD]
    [TD="class: e"][/TD]
    [TD="class: r"]Pul Rune[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: b"]3[/TD]
    [TD="class: s"]3[/TD]
    [TD="class: c"][/TD]
    [TD="class: e"][/TD]
    [TD="class: r"]Um Rune[/TD]
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    [/TD]
    [TD][FONT=Arial][B]Runes Extremely Rare(5 of 11) (45.45%)[/B][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial][B]Extremely Rare (5 of 11) (45.45%)[/B][/FONT]
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    [TD="class: b"]4[/TD]
    [TD="class: s"]4[/TD]
    [TD="class: c"][/TD]
    [TD="class: e"][/TD]
    [TD="class: r"]Mal Rune[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: b"]4[/TD]
    [TD="class: s"]4[/TD]
    [TD="class: c"][/TD]
    [TD="class: e"][/TD]
    [TD="class: r"]Ist Rune[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: b"]1[/TD]
    [TD="class: s"]1[/TD]
    [TD="class: c"][/TD]
    [TD="class: e"][/TD]
    [TD="class: r"]Gul Rune[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: b"]2[/TD]
    [TD="class: s"]2[/TD]
    [TD="class: c"][/TD]
    [TD="class: e"][/TD]
    [TD="class: r"]Vex Rune[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: b"]1[/TD]
    [TD="class: s"]1[/TD]
    [TD="class: c"][/TD]
    [TD="class: e"][/TD]
    [TD="class: r"]Ohm Rune[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: b"][/TD]
    [TD="class: s"][/TD]
    [TD="class: c"][/TD]
    [TD="class: e"][/TD]
    [TD="class: r"]Lo Rune[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: b"][/TD]
    [TD="class: s"][/TD]
    [TD="class: c"][/TD]
    [TD="class: e"][/TD]
    [TD="class: r"]Sur Rune[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: b"][/TD]
    [TD="class: s"][/TD]
    [TD="class: c"][/TD]
    [TD="class: e"][/TD]
    [TD="class: r"]Ber Rune[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: b"]1[/TD]
    [TD="class: s"]1[/TD]
    [TD="class: c"][/TD]
    [TD="class: e"][/TD]
    [TD="class: r"]Jah Rune[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: b"][/TD]
    [TD="class: s"][/TD]
    [TD="class: c"][/TD]
    [TD="class: e"][/TD]
    [TD="class: r"]Cham Rune[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: b"][/TD]
    [TD="class: s"][/TD]
    [TD="class: c"][/TD]
    [TD="class: e"][/TD]
    [TD="class: r"]Zod Rune[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
    
  9. Krupa

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    iirc chests in 85 ares can drop up to zod, as their level is linked to the area level. might be mistaken on this though. i have found a Lo from the AT chest however...
  10. Fabian

    Fabian IncGamers Member

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    200-300 hours is a super gross overestimate for area running and average time finding Enigma runes. Runes are common, guys. And yeah they're not coming from the sparkly chests or whatever, those things suck. Just kill some monsters.

    Edit: Obviously it's a somewhat different story when you do p1 kill-only-bosses runs like an AT blizzsorc would. There are certainly better ways of finding high runes indeed.

    EasyG, calling Mals and Ists high runes in the context of making Enigmas isn't helpful. You're not finding many high runes from those chests, as your 6k/1 Ohm results would confirm.
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    I'm hoarding all my ruins for this reason, Upgrade!
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    Chests have their own TCs, 3 for each Act depending how far you are in an Act. They all have a chance to drop from that Acts "Good" TC which means Gul/Vex for A1, Ohm/Lo for A2, Sur/Ber for A3, Jah/Cham for A4 and Zod for A5. The items from the chests will get the alvl as ilvl but you can't find higher TC items than what are in the Chest TC.


  13. One nOOb to rule them all

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    If your main goal is runes, there are better targets than alvl 85 areas. Council and cows anyone? Even killing Mephisto's council members while running him has to be faster. I am sure with enough dedication even LK is better for pure rune drops with a double campfire map, can't get jah there though.
  14. BaronScarpia

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    Just out of curiosity: how many Tal-Amn runes people that have enigma/infinity found? People just stop picking the up after a few hundreds? It's better to have separate stashes instead 2k+ runes on the same stash?

    :ponder:
  15. Fabian

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    I haven't picked up low runes in years. I pick up Tir, Ral, Hel (for some reason, I have like a billion), Lem/Pul and up pretty much.

    GoMule is very fast, and my rune stash of 3470 items loads fast. If you had like 10k+, I don't know what it would be like. Make a new stash if it seems slow I guess?
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    Hel+ and crafting runes is all I pick up.


  17. Pyrotechnician

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    I pick up every rune I see, I'm working on cubing up those Els!
  18. One nOOb to rule them all

    One nOOb to rule them all IncGamers Member

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    I by no means have gotten enough runes to do enigma and all that other fancy stuff yet. I pick every rune up when I am playing SP though, I will try to give other people first dibs in MP so I don't seem greedy :p

    Everything lower than ral gets cubed to ral. Things higher than ral usually sit in my stash. I will cube those up if I need something.
  19. zaphodbrx

    zaphodbrx IncGamers Member

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    Low runes are a headache.
    They aren't important enough to keep picking up and muling, but if you don't you'll eventually run out of them. 2 days ago I made two new runewords çrescent moon' and 'silence'. Embarrassingly, I did not have any Tir runes. Before that I had been down to my last Amns and Shaels.
    Running the countess usually remedies this, and that's what I do when I run out of low runes.
    Since I do a lot of crafting, I also always pick up rals and nefs.
    Before that I used to pick up tal thul ort amn hel to roll spirits but now I have enough 35 fcr ones to not bother.
    My rune stash never has more than 200 at any time. Having more guls than amn or more Mal than Tir quite common for me.


  20. RobbyD

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    I've gotten a Lo, Ber, and Cham from questing, and I'm only working on my 4th 1.13 character. I'd say runes are common enough to plan on some nice runewords.

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