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Hardcore 101- Looking for your input

Discussion in 'Diablo 3 General Discussion' started by Xanth, May 5, 2012. | Replies: 27 | Views: 2138

  1. Xanth

    Xanth Diablo: IncGamers Columnist<br>Clan Officer - US N

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    Hardcore 101- Looking for your input

    I'm going to be putting together a hardcore 101 primer for new players to Hardcore. I'm looking for your ideas/suggestions for people new to hardcore. Ideally I want to do this as a two parter. The first part about Hardcore in general and the second after release about specifics. So what do you think people need to know about Hardcore before D3 launches?
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    Re: Hardcore 101- Looking for your input

    Well I keep seeing the same question about when it is unlocked. It looks like a lot of people still assume it is unlocked after beating SC normal.
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    Re: Hardcore 101- Looking for your input

    "Don't die" is probably too obvious. Maybe once the game is released, I would delve a bit into defensive skills and how to effectively use them. Apart from those defensive skills, it is also a different, more slow and cautious playstyle, you might want to elaborate on that a bit.

    Not really groundbreaking, but that's the stuff I can come up with at the moment.
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    Re: Hardcore 101- Looking for your input

    I say, if you beat the very first area on the way to New Tristram without dying and then park yourself in town, you'll probably stay alive forever.
  5. Xanth

    Xanth Diablo: IncGamers Columnist<br>Clan Officer - US N

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    Re: Hardcore 101- Looking for your input

    good one The Magic, I can see a lot of new players not knowing this
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    Re: Hardcore 101- Looking for your input

    I told a friend to avoid events that he wasn't familiar with. They really seem to be considerably harder than many other portions of gameplay. Just generally getting a lay of the land and playing slowly, like we did in D2. Understand how each aspect of defense synergises, how it works together, and figure out where you are lacking and where you need to shed some stats.
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    Re: Hardcore 101- Looking for your input

    if your goal in HC is to be the first person to reach level 60, then you're doing it wrong

    you'll be playing too fast, too recklessly and taking too many chances
    you can't "rush" HC

    take your time, settle down, rerun the same area a few times, gain some levels, farm some gear, spend some time crafting

    nobody reached level 60 by dying
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    Re: Hardcore 101- Looking for your input

    I think one of the most important parts of playing HC is being actually 'ready' to step into the next difficulty level. So many times I've finished Nightmare only to die very early into A1 Hell. You have to totally change your mindset back to a very cautious one when stepping up the difficulty.
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    Re: Hardcore 101- Looking for your input

    - Make sure they know that hardcore is in fact, hardcore. Thats the start. The mindsetting this provides helps you survive. If they come over from softcore, its probably usefull to tell people about defensive skills, they will be more used in hardcore. The same will be with healthglobes and cooldowns on potions. Youll have to learn to manage this, so start it asap.

    - Then try to explain the thrill it gives when you do survive something, barely. And the sense of achievement beating certain parts of the game. People are always warning and such, making it sound so negative :)

    - In D2, we were used to stacking vitality and such and to a certain degree we will probably find a way to do that here, probably through gear. Explain how and why.

    - Explain whats actually lost when you die. Artisans wont be lost, same for your stash. Everything on your character will be lost. Also explain, this probably means that @ the start you will only lose time if you die. In later stages, it might start to hurt, losing geared characters. This probably also means that progressing in the two fields which you take with you after you die is a smart choice.

    - Lvl 10 unlocking.

    - Depending how on steep the curve is, explain that farming the completed difficulty is mandetory to beating the next difficulty.

    - Never trust anybody (except friends). Just dont. Really, dont. Its scary, I know, but for every person willing to help you, there will be twenty willing to kill you.

    - If you find something useful, but not for the character which you are currently playing, stash it. Stashing = cashing.

    When I think up more, Ill add it :)
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    Re: Hardcore 101- Looking for your input

    - If you can't accept that your character will die from things you can't predict and counter (for example: lags, disconnects, your PC burning, etc.) then just don't bother. You will lose your time, nerves and fun.

    - Don't give up after first death or few. It's normal for everyone to die on hardcore and lose their characters. Once you get your head around fact that you will create new characters over and over again you will find so much fun playing hardcore.

    - Items with affixes that help you survive longer are your priority over items that gives only bonuses to damage (especially important for begginers).

    - Don't rush. If you are playing range class shoot few attacks / spells to new room you are going to before stepping into it. If you play melee class go there slowly, don't just Leap there and hope for the best.

    - And most important -- if someone asks you: It was a lag that killed you.
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    Re: Hardcore 101- Looking for your input

    Good one - I went into HC back in the day thinking that I if I was careful enough I wouldn't die but the simple truth is that as a HC character you will die sooner or later. I lost pretty much all my top geared lvl 9Xies and even though some survived for months sooner or later they did indeed face their inevitable death.

    The only characters that might live forever are the once that you on purpose build to be overpowered. One such example was my lvl 80-something sorc whos sole existance was to do NM meph runs to keep a constant supply of mid level gear to support the other chars I was playing.

    So I guess that's one of my top tips - try and keep your wealth growing even though you will constantly loose some of your best gear due to deaths by having some safer chars farm gear for your primary ones. And maybe create some redundancy so with several chars so that you don't always have to start from the beginning when you loose your main.

    Did I mention that death is inevitable?



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    Re: Hardcore 101- Looking for your input

    I also think if you could get some sort of list of people on each server who will primarily be playing HC, that would be great. I know they have the IncGamers clan, but the member list does not distinguish HC or SC. A big part of surviving later difficulties will be teamwork and not everyone knows other people playing HC.
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    Re: Hardcore 101- Looking for your input

    Xanth, I would recommend a list of rules for HC noobs to follow if that is indeed what you're going for in the article, Zombieland style. Here's a few I came up with in no particular order.

    Rule #1: Get comfortable. Starting off you're going to have zero idea of what you can and can't get away with, so approaching every pack of mobs should be done so with the mindset that they could kill you.

    Rule #2: Your shield is your best friend. Giving yourself a chance to block full damage from attacks makes shields an HC players best item for survivability.

    Rule #3: Don't be a hero. If you don't feel like your character is ready for a specific fight, then don't go running in guns blazing. This is especially important for bosses. Go farm, craft some gear, grind some levels, then go fight that next boss. If you actually have no clue how to know if you're ready, judge it by how easy the mobs before the boss are. If the mobs are hard, the boss is going to wreck you.

    Rule #4: Gear accordingly. If D2 is any indication, certain bosses will be easier with certain gear. Poison resist for Andy, Fire and Lightning for Diablo, etc.

    Rule #5: Don't ignore resistances. I can't even count the number of times I've watched HC noobs run through higher level content with no resistances and get instagibbed by elemental mobs.

    Rule #6: You will die! Never think for a moment that you are safe, complacency is what kills HC characters the most. Thinking you're never going to lose a character is probably the worst attitude you can have.

    Etc etc etc.

    I could probably sit here and type these all night but I'll let some other people add some stuff.

    Also, where's the D3 HC forum?
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    Re: Hardcore 101- Looking for your input

    Burried in the strategy forum... weird.
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    Re: Hardcore 101- Looking for your input

    I'd tell people not to play when bored. I play exclusively HC and most of the deaths I encounter are simply due to not paying attention.
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    Re: Hardcore 101- Looking for your input

    I will be looking for somebody to author a HC FAQ that can be stickied in the HC Forum. I would suggest posting a similar thread there.



  19. Xanth

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    Re: Hardcore 101- Looking for your input

    went away for a few days was hoping for a bit more anyone else?
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    Re: Hardcore 101- Looking for your input

    I have another small, tiny, minor little hint.

    If the retail game is anything like the beta, fire all of your skills at least once, while in town, before you go into combat.

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