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Gruesome Feast or Fetish Sycophants?

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  1. Horcsog

    Horcsog IncGamers Member

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    Gruesome Feast or Fetish Sycophants?

    http://us.battle.net/d3/en/class/witch-doctor/passive/fetish-sycophants
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    http://us.battle.net/d3/en/class/witch-doctor/passive/gruesome-feast

    Here they are, I really can not decide which to choose, which would grant me more damage in the short run. Sycophants will spawn pretty often as my main damaging ability will be firebats, which is a physical realm spells.

    Gruesome Feast also looks awesome, 10% int / globe, can stack up 5 times, if I keep my buff up with Harvest Soul that would mean, let's see... gazillion intellect :p which is nice to have.
    Now, there will be lots of globes on the floor, so I will always get some nice intellect boost from them, but will I do more damage altogether than I would have with my little fetishes?
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    Re: Gruesome Feast or Fetish Sycophants?

    Gruesome feast also makes orbs provide mana, basically eliminating or really reducing downtime. Firebats is really really expensive to use, so it may be the better alternative, not only as you'd kill faster and thus save more mana, but also as you'd gain some back from orbs.
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    Re: Gruesome Feast or Fetish Sycophants?

    This depends how many fetishes you have and how much damage they do. How does the skill even trigger with firebats? It's a channeled spell.
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    Re: Gruesome Feast or Fetish Sycophants?

    Think it will have the chance to be triggered every seconds?

    The reason why I am not definite about the Gruesome Feast is because when you kill a pack of mobs, you take the loot and health globes, and it takes about 10 sec to find an other group of monsters, right when your buff is gone :(
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    Re: Gruesome Feast or Fetish Sycophants?

    Don't forget, that Int also increases your resists against elemental damage.

    It's much more likely, that it has a chance to trigger every half a second, the frequency of Firebats' damage ticks.


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    Re: Gruesome Feast or Fetish Sycophants?

    I'd try to take globes mid-combat. Gruesome feast is probably much more useful against bosses for this reason; each globe probably resets the duration, so with 4-5 globes around, you could benefit from 10-50% for up to a minute.


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    Re: Gruesome Feast or Fetish Sycophants?

    Although you have a lot of Physical Realm stuff to spam, that Fetish spawn chance is still really, really, really low! :(

    It's like one Fetish every 33 spell casts :S. It's not very reliable, so I think you're better off with Gruesome Feast.
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    Re: Gruesome Feast or Fetish Sycophants?

    If firebats ticks twice per second, you'd get a sycophant every 16.5 seconds. Not that bad of a chance.


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    Re: Gruesome Feast or Fetish Sycophants?

    Well, that would be if you could be casting Firebats all the time. It's likely you'll have more down than up time with the spell, though.

    Overall, sycophants would work best on characters that use a lot of the cheap primary attacks, maybe supported by another physical realm spell as asecondary.
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    Re: Gruesome Feast or Fetish Sycophants?

    What's the math behind this?

    From what I understand, you are most likely to get a Sycophant per every 23 castings.

    0,97 ^ 23 = ~50 %

    For a half second attack that would be a fetish every 11,5 seconds.


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    Re: Gruesome Feast or Fetish Sycophants?

    No, it does not. WD specific items often do however, so they're really useful for mana hungry builds, especially since they can also improve mana regen as well.


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    Re: Gruesome Feast or Fetish Sycophants?

    Good question Horcsog about possible mana increase. I love to look at my temporary smartness when I hit soul harvest. There's nothing better than a spell that makes you a genius for 30 seconds and then returns you to dumb as rocks status lol. But I never noticed if my mana pool is increased.
    Anyone know? If not I'll check it out this evening.
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    Re: Gruesome Feast or Fetish Sycophants?

    3% is equal to 1/33, so in the long run you can expect that every 33th attack provides a fetish on average. Just like you can expect to get 30 fetishes in 1000 attacks. Every 23 attacks you have a 50% chance to get one, but it means some 23 attacks you get one or more, and other 23 attacks you don't.



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    Re: Gruesome Feast or Fetish Sycophants?

    Interesting. So by this logic a d6 pops one of the numbers approximately once every 6 throws. I can agree with that.

    But this means you need quite a fast attack speed to keep a decent number of Sycophants summoned.


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    Re: Gruesome Feast or Fetish Sycophants?

    Seems then, that Poison Dart or some of the frogs would be the way to go, as you can spam those quickly.
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    Re: Gruesome Feast or Fetish Sycophants?

    Well, yeah, just as rolling die faster than your buddy would eventually yield you more of a desired roll.


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