Latest Diablo 3 News
DiabloWiki Updates
Support the site! Become a Diablo: IncGamers PAL - Remove ads and more!

Compare Mf Sorc (Meteorb) Vs MF hammerdin

Discussion in 'Diablo 2 Community Forum' started by freaking, Jun 22, 2013. | Replies: 15 | Views: 2153

  1. freaking

    freaking IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2012
    Messages:
    10
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    1
    Hi, this is my first post.

    I would like to compare the different between Meteorb Vs Hammerdin in Magic finding and rune finding. These is my current equipment set-up.

    Compare Mf Equipment (Will use similar MF charms on both character)
    Hammerdin- My mix unique

    Helm: Shako(Ptopaz): 74%MF
    Amulet: Mara
    Weapon: Hoto (40FCR)
    Shield: Hoz with Um
    Armor: enigma (let just say 90% MF)
    Glove: Magefist (20%FCR)
    Rings: Soj and Nature peace(for nihlathak hunting)-----> can swap soj with 30%nagel, even so, mfing% still lose to meteorb by 100%+-
    boots: Wartraveler (Avg:45%MF)
    Belt: Spidey (20FCR)
    Charms: total with prefect gheed (66%MF)

    Total MF on Paladin: (74+90+45+66)%=275% MF (if swap with soj: 305% MF)
    Total FCR: (40+20+20)%=80% FCR(meet min requirement)
    Resistance: 75% All

    Meteorb
    Full Tarasha Set (MF: 24(Ptopaz helm)+[88+24](ptopaz Armor)+ 13(belt)+ 65 Set bonus+ 30(Isted Orb)=244 MF
    Spirit Shield (35fcr)
    Magefist (20FCR)
    1X30MF nagel ring (30MF)+Wisp Protector(15MF) (For wsk Mfing-Lit Absorb)
    Wartravler (Average: 45MF)
    Charm (66MF)

    Total MF: (244+45+45+66)%=400%MF
    Total FCR=105% (Meet min requirement)
    Total Resistance 75% all

    Both character have cta weapon switches

    So MF%: Meteorb>Hammerdin


    MF places(trying effective alvl85 places)
    Meteorb
    1. Masu
    2. pit
    3. ancient tunnel
    4. key runnings(Countess+Summoner), Viper in nihlathak is too painful for my sorc to handle
    5: Wsk Level 1,2,3

    Hammerdin
    1)Masu
    2)Pit
    3)Chaos
    4)key running (Countess+summoner+nihlathak)
    I never run wsk+ancient tunnel for hammerdin due to magic immune mummies spawning at those place. You can argue I can use holy bolt. However, if holybolt is used, Killing speed will decrease.

    Number of Mf Places: Meteorb>Hammerdin

    Killing speed @ those places: Hammerdin>Meteorb (due to higher damage) Hence, in rune hunting, Hammerdin>meteorb due to faster killing abilities in my opinion.

    How's your view of meteorb vs Hammerdin in magic finding and rune hunting?
    Last edited: Jun 22, 2013
  2. Archone

    Archone IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2010
    Messages:
    7,421
    Likes Received:
    9
    Trophy Points:
    166
    Are you botting? Its a little suspicious..



    And if youre not, sry.

    I have several opinions how to increase both your characters effeciency. Since Ive used mf hammerdins several ladders, and also sorceresses(like everyone else).

    Hammerdin.

    Use spirit instead, to clear belt+glove slots. The dmg youll loose isnt alot, and 70mf/280eg is alot better. (Chanceguard+Goldwrap w max rolls)

    Use nagels. Swap 1 for Wisp. No need for Natures Peace if you use Redemption aura at nihlatak.

    If youre low on resistances, swap 7mf charms, for single res sc's or add cube to inventory. So you can have use more charms!


    Sorceress.

    Dont use full tal for mfing. Use only Belt+Amu+Armor. Thats (88+24)+(~13)+(65)mf.
    Instead of 24mf Tal mask, use 50+24mf shako. And instead of orb, use Oculus(isted if you like). Thats 50+30mf.

    That will increase your mf from: (88+24)+(13)+(65) +(24+30) = 244mf
    To: (88+24)+(13)+(65) + (80+74) = 344mf
    Add Chanceguard for 200eg/40mf instead of 20fcr. = 364mf

    Fcr wise, it will decrease from 20magefist+20orb+30setbonus+35shield= 105fcr
    To: 30orb+20setbonus+35shield = 85fcr

    But since she uses meteor+frozen orb, one less frame will only decrease tele speed. And 63fcr is enough for mf purposes.



    This is only one way to do it. But just as reference Ill add a simple setup, which I use for my mf sorceress this ladder.

    Cta+Spirit on swap.

    Shako: 50+24mf
    Magic Amulet: 44mf
    Chains of Honor: 25mf
    Isted Oculus: 50+30mf & 30fcr
    Spirit Monarch: 35fcr
    Chance Guards: 40mf & 200eg
    Nagelring: 30mf
    Magic ring: 37mf
    Goldwrap: 30mf & 80eg
    Wartraveler: 49mf

    charms, mf scs, anni and gheeds = 200mf.

    Thats 609mf, and I loose very little in speed, and survivability!





    Peace and love
  3. Kitteh

    Kitteh IncGamers Site Pal

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2011
    Messages:
    8,475
    Likes Received:
    15
    Trophy Points:
    467
    I only really use sorceress' for AT running, but I use hammerdins as my main magic find character, CS/Pits mostly. Definitely swap to spirit, then change (assuming your merc has insight, which is standard) for Reaper's, and use redemption.
  4. Archone

    Archone IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2010
    Messages:
    7,421
    Likes Received:
    9
    Trophy Points:
    166
    Yeah, I use Reapers on my Sorcs Merc. Since Reapers helped alot with immunes and killing Mephisto in the beginning. And I dont really need insight.
  5. freaking

    freaking IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2012
    Messages:
    10
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    1
    No, i do not use botting programs. What makes you say that. well nevermind...

    I have read somewhere (should be in diablo inc forum) regarding sorceress wearing full talrasha vs partial (belt, ammy,armor) + oculus+shako, they say the damage is lesser. And in addition, i really need the cold-mystery to push my cold mystery to 17 (min). And i also heard about diminishing MF, increase MF% from 400-500= increase change of getting unique is ~1% or less. So i think i rather go with higher dps(FCR in this case)+ higher damage to kill faster. By the way, i seldom use meteor(maybe only on act boss) eventhough the build is call meteorb, i use fireball more often.

    Paladin
    Actually, i am thinking of going 125% Fcr, but am afraid of how much resistance (if i try to find 45% resist all ST) and Damage (4combat) would i loss. I like the FHR though and vitality should be about to cover the addition dex point require for max block. And sometime, i also do some pvp. i wonder what shield do pvp hammerdin use?? Is 125FCR/FHr worth it for damage/resistance loss.
    And for hammerdin, i dont think i would like to go wsk for Mf due to magic immune and i find it troublesome and slow to switch to holybolt. In addition, my merc equipment is not that great (Just non-eth shael reaper+threachry+fevor Gullaume. And even i have upp my merc equipment to eth fort or eth obedience, i think he will kill slower than a 8.5-9k fireball from my sorc. Hence maybe i could swap the wisp protector you recommend with another soj/ some sexy fcr 20str/dex/res all rings.

    O, do placing charms in cube(in your inventory) let you have the buff as well?! That's really a new things to me. Will try that haha.
    Last edited: Jun 22, 2013
  6. Archone

    Archone IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2010
    Messages:
    7,421
    Likes Received:
    9
    Trophy Points:
    166
    Full tal set = 5 to Sorc skills. +2 to each mastery.
    Partial set (2)+ shako (2)+ Oculus (3)= 7 to sorc skills.

    So its actually better, see? ;) This is also just as good for the CM skill.

    DPS = dmg/sec.
    Fcr for you build only affects Teleport/BattleCommand/BattleOrders/StaticField and a cold armor if you use that.

    If you use Fireball however, then fcr is recommended! The difference in the 63fcr variant, from the 105fcr one. Is 1 frame. 9Frames down to 8 frames.


    FHR is very important in pvp, iirc.
    Resistances are easily covered if you use a nice hoto/mara and charms.


    Charms wont work in the cube!! :D But that would be awesome indeed!

    No, what I meant was, that you fill your inventory completely with charms. And make room for the cube. Then you can pick up items to drop in the cube, and from there ID them.
    Its a little tedious if you want to pick alot of items, like myself. But its doable if you think you really need the extra 4-5 slots of space.

    This tablet, I found in the diablo wiki. Shows how mf affects the droprate of uniques.

    [TH="bgcolor: #1A0303"]Magic Find[/TH] [TH="bgcolor: #1A0303"]Rare Find[/TH] [TH="bgcolor: #1A0303"]Set Find[/TH] [TH="bgcolor: #1A0303"]Unique Find[/TH]
    50 46 45 41
    100 85 83 71
    200 150 142 111
    300 200 187 136
    400 240 222 153
    500 272 250 166
    750 333 300 187
    1000 375 333 200
    Imo, you should go for as much mf as possible. Without sacrificing too much of the other things.
    In my own setup, as shown above post, I have everything. And is about maxed around 600-650.
  7. freaking

    freaking IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2012
    Messages:
    10
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    1
    Yep, i think i will go for Spirit in sacred targe. (So to make 125 fcr: 20(Spider)+magefist(20)+spirit(35)+40(Hoto)+2Fcr ring or Rare 2/20 paladin circlet/coronet)

    And regarding Tal Set vs Partial tal Set.(Not comparing the ultimate pure sorc set like nightwing,griffon etc)

    I found this thread regarding that: http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?151250-The-truth-about-Tal-s-Set

    Maybe you can help to verify the credibility of it.
  8. Kitteh

    Kitteh IncGamers Site Pal

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2011
    Messages:
    8,475
    Likes Received:
    15
    Trophy Points:
    467
    If it helps, I run CS with this set up; (hammerdin)

    Switch: CtA ethereal CS/random spirit
    Weapon: HotO 37@res ethereal flail
    Shield: Spirit 35/107 in a 35@res SR
    Armour: Enigma 13ed BP (may swap to AP eventually)
    Helm: Shako 'topaz'
    Belt: Arach 100ed
    Gloves: Trang
    Boots: Hotspur upped twice
    Amulet: Maras 29@res
    Rings: BK/fcr-strength-resist rare

    Charms:
    Skiller 34life
    Skiller 34% gold
    Skiller 4 dex
    Gheeds 39mf
    Host of resist/life/mf/mana small charms

    My stats altogether;
    Fire: 192/152/92
    Cold: 216/176/116
    Lightning: 208/168/108
    Poison: 185/145/85

    MF: 291 Block: 45
    GF: 182
    FR/W: 45
    FHR: 90
    IAS: 0
    FCR: 125
  9. freaking

    freaking IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2012
    Messages:
    10
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    1
    deleted (10 character)
  10. Archone

    Archone IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2010
    Messages:
    7,421
    Likes Received:
    9
    Trophy Points:
    166
    That thread is over 9 years old and can hardly be called up to date.
  11. Dawnmaster

    Dawnmaster IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2004
    Messages:
    5,057
    Likes Received:
    25
    Trophy Points:
    469
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't all creatures in the game who have magic imuun also undead, making them still damageable by Blessed Hammer? (the only exception being the Wailing Beasts in act3)
  12. Fizoo

    Fizoo IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2012
    Messages:
    344
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    124
    Engima, perfect gheed's, full tal's set....

    My question is, why do you need to MF lol....

    What exactly are you hoping to find that you don't have?
  13. freaking

    freaking IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2012
    Messages:
    10
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    1
    I think the last post on that thread is 08 and those people still can prove that tal set is better than partial set. Over the years (from 08-13) does hoto/oculus/shako/tal sets actually change its stats? If no, those calculation can consider valid, in my opinion.
  14. freaking

    freaking IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2012
    Messages:
    10
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    1
    Death fothorn, nightwing, tyreal, mara, azurewrath, griffon. All high end unique, you name it, i don't have it...
    Next, re-rolling GC like ice/fire/combat with 40-45 lifer(using baal GC/nih/diablo)
    High-end runewords, enigma is just a stepping stone. Last wish, phoenix
    Building character can be so tedious but so much fun when you pk others with it, especially those stupid botters. You can laugh at how clumsy they control their character due to long term botting..
  15. Kitteh

    Kitteh IncGamers Site Pal

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2011
    Messages:
    8,475
    Likes Received:
    15
    Trophy Points:
    467
    Unfortunately it doesn't work like that :(
  16. Archone

    Archone IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2010
    Messages:
    7,421
    Likes Received:
    9
    Trophy Points:
    166
    It did work like that before, however they patched it! :p


    @freaking, the dmg calculations the author made are way of atm. So no, you do more dmg with more +skills.

Share This Page