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blizz sorc

Discussion in 'Wizard' started by psyadam, Mar 11, 2012. | Replies: 54 | Views: 5850

  1. psyadam

    psyadam IncGamers Member

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    blizz sorc

    I'm thinking of making a blizz sorc. (I refuse to call the female a "wizard"). Is that a good choice? What is Blizzard called now in d3?
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    Re: blizz sorc

    Um...Blizzard? I mean, Blizzard is a wizard skill in the D3 skill calculator. I would say that it is a good choice, and that I plan on making/trying a blizz wiz, too... but right now DoTs are underpowered in my opinion, given that they probably don't stack. On the other hand, Blizzard is an excellent skill for slowing groups enemies giving the wizard time to finish them off with her other spells. Since it is an aoe and ranged skill, I'd recommend either magic missile or electrocute as a signature skill to go along with it.

    Also, since DoTs don't stack, I'd say may as well have another offensive spell in the build. Hydra would be nice to stack more damage over time (I think different DoTs will stack) but I don't think the slow effects from frost hydra and blizzard will stack (anyone know?). On the other hand, with the passive black ice, the more ice attacks the better. Thus, Ray of Frost is an option, especially when runed to decrease resource cost, as Blizzard itself uses almost half the wizard's AP (without gear).

    Or, you can forego another offensive skill and save the AP for Blizzard + cooldown skills which require AP, like wave of force and teleport. Since attack speed is also slowed by Blizzard, it would be interesting to have a wizard with spectral blade and Blizzard, or shock pulse and Blizzard. Overall I think Blizzard is a very versatile skill which unfortunately doesn't do very much damage at the moment.


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    Re: blizz sorc

    While blizzard does damage over time, I'm thinking it doesn't leave a debuff on the target, and is rather considered staggered aoe, which means that multiple casts will see damage stack.
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    Re: blizz sorc

    The freeze effect would be pretty useful, but this isn't D2 where all you do is just spam one skill + teleport and everything dies.
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    Re: blizz sorc

    doh, I thought it would be like that :) Thanks for your replies.
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    Re: blizz sorc

    What a missed chance to talk about a blizz wiz!

    Anyway, psy, move on already! :)
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    Re: blizz sorc

    From the skill video on the official site you can see, that it is pretty effective, slowing mobs and dealing high damage. Spamming will be rather hard, as the costs are pretty high. Combining this with some cost reduction and signature skills generating AP might help.
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    Re: blizz sorc

    I wouldn't really expect the skill videos to provide an accurate measure of a skills true damage capability, As it is, I'd say Blizzard works as a semi-defensive supporting damage skill. It seems to me a little too slow to be the primary damage dealer for an efficient build, but decent as complement to one or two other offensive spells.
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    Re: blizz sorc

    Is that something others would agree with, that it isn't a good primary offensive spell? If Blizzard isn't, what is? I used to like chain lightning in d2 also. Would that be a good primary?
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    Re: blizz sorc

    It does pitiful damage over too much time, as of right now. See it as a Wizard's Grasp of the Dead. It slows over a wide area and is pretty cheap to cast. Synergizes well with Black Ice and Comet Meteor rune.


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    Re: blizz sorc

    According to diablo nut Blizzard now lasts 6 seconds and does 254% damage over that time. It's an improvement but I still think it costs too much AP. I wouldn't call 45 AP cheap to cast.

    Here's how I would class the wizard's offensive spells:


    resource-light attacks

    -signature skills
    -ray of frost "cold blood"

    resource-heavy attacks

    -meteor
    -arcane orb
    -disintegrate
    -arcane torrent
    -ray of frost

    tertiary offense (damage over time, buffs)

    -blizzard
    -hydra
    -familiar
    -magic weapon
    -slow time
    -energy twister

    cooldown offense

    -archon
    -wave of force

    ???

    -explosive blast

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    It's not necessary but I'd say most people will use at least one spell from each of the first three categories. You probably won't succeed with just magic missile and blizzard, sadly. If DoTs were stackable, this is something I was looking at playing, but no longer.
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    Re: blizz sorc

    Ah, I knew it'd get buffed. Just like I called the Arcane Orb nerf! Man, I'm good at balance - it's almost as if being insulted all over the balance thread wasn't warranted.

    Besides praising my own face, 254% makes it one of the most efficient AP-to-damage skill, right under Twisters, which aren't reliable f*ckall. This definitely makes the Blackice build I had in mind more viable.

    It's strange to see DNut update faster than the Blizz website. Why do they care so little?


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    Re: blizz sorc

    Good Luck. The Blizzard spell is the worst Animation in the game IMO. Really needs a lot of work.:help:
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    Re: blizz sorc

    It looks fine, and we've not seen how the runed versions look like yet.


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    Re: blizz sorc

    IMO:

    The animation of Blizzard must contain some big gaps and slowness so it doesn't obscure the view so much, especially when cast over a busy zone coated with other players' skill effects. It's probably the same reason why another big spell, Meteor, happens so rapidly that it feels a bit empty. They've got to keep things visible.

    Hopefully, they will remove that awkwardness of D2's Blizzard, where you couldn't tell whether enemies were in the spell area or not. In the D3 video, you see some enemies just standing there seemingly unaffected until they die suddenly. Others die almost instantly. If the spell feels inconsistent, I won't use it.

    It might also be a problem if enemies can charge through it unimpeded very fast, like sprinting over D2's skinny firewall, especially if chill effects are reduced drastically in later difficulties.

    On the plus side, it's perfect for "hit and run" play style. It would be fun to watch 4 Wizards causing hell to freeze over with Blizzards cast on the entire screen.
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    Re: blizz sorc

    Snowbound seems too good to be true. More than doubles the ap-to-damage ratio. Damn!

    EDIT: Seems they added that multiple casts in the same area doesn't stack. That sucks.
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    Re: blizz sorc

    Yeah I was under that assumption ever since the beta testers revealed that rend damage doesn't stack. But then that fan Q&A said that DoTs can stack, the operative word being can...So hopefully they update all tooltips so we know clearly when a DoT stacks and when it doesn't, including all instances of poison damage.


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    They could have just meant that multiple different DoTs stack with each other, and maybe also the same DoT from different sources, like two wizards casting Blizzard in the same spot, or two flaming zombie dogs next to the same monster.

    One way or the other, my money is on us having to find it out by ourselves when the game releases.
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    Re: blizz sorc

    Ah that would make sense. I mean it's obvious different DoTs have to stack. I guess I was hoping for more, but I won't bet on it. I guess that's why the WD has so many DoTs, so he can stack multiple different ones. The wizard won't likely be doing any stacking though.


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