For me summoning is the same as pets. You summon them and they reminded summoned, moving, attacking and so on. They got their life, their defense, etc.
For me bats, locust and frogs are just spells graphically changed, but never summoning.
Sorry, but I agree with akboy. For me are just spells, and not summons as long as I don't see a square with his name in the upper left corner. And they will never work as summons, because they are not (IMO). You can buff your minions/pets/summons, but you won't never buff your own spells, like locust, firebats or frogs. It's just a spell, Grug (read the PS before feeling angry heheh).
I'm pretty sure if there exist items like unique jewels rainbow facets or items affecting spells and not summons in diablo3, they will affect bats and frogs and locust because they are considered as spells, and they won't affect mongrels because they are considered summons or pets or minions (the same). Same with auras. You won't cast an aura affecting your spells like bats or locust, but you can cast an aura or buff affecting your summons.
Just my opinion. Sorry but for me locust, frogs, summons, volcanos, twisters and so on... they are not summons. They are spells.
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Originally Posted by Grug
If you just call the bats "spells" people will get confused. Hence, a distinction needs to be made.
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I can't agree
Really the confusion comes if you call summons to firebats or locust swarm, or frogs. If you call them spells (like they are IMO) then just nobody are confused I think. Perhaps I'm wrong.
PS: I think "grammaticaly" you're correct. A summon is a creature or spirit or something you invoke. You're true here. But I think in terms of role playing game and specially in diablo terms they're just spells. I'm pretty sure too if a WD got a skill telling: "Summon power: increase the damage of all your summons by 50%" it will only affect the damage of mongrels and similar creatures, and not the spells.
Not trying to discuss here, I hope you understand I'm not trying to being hostile, lol. Just giving my opinion here, I'm sure each one, like you or me got his own opinion about this issue.
PS2: a bit offtopic here: by the way, about FF... it depends on which FF you are talking about. In some FF it's not a spell like you are saying; for example in FFX it's a real summon ad not only a spell, and he has his own skills and attacks: you can receive and learn more attacks if you wish, more magics, customize his HP and he remains summoned to the end of the battle if you wish, while your 3 characters leaves the battle and then it's a turns-combat: in one side the enemies, and in the other side, the summoned until someone die or you decide to quit your summon.
On topic again, I think is just a matter of language or semantic. I think 99% of people just say spells if they're talking about firebats or locust, and summon/pets/minions. Perhaps bad semantic, but I think it's the correct way in a Diablo game. If you search in some forums, almost everyone agree in call summon just to mongrels, and they are saying the WD only has one summon revealed yet. I agree with this affirmation too.
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