Has Tyrael been working with the Prime Evils from the start?

ZSiegfried · 15-10-2008, 16:17

I know this has been mentioned before but I would like to find out what peoples opinion is on the matter...

Tyrael was the one who gave the Horadrim the soulstones and it was clear that that was pivotal in Diablo's plan to become stronger.

The Worldstone was supposed to protect Sanctuary from Hell's invaders and it was his idea to destroy it. He has always acted against the orders of Heaven and it seems that his meddling has caused more harm than good...

Either way, where is Tyrael now? Has he become evil? Was he evil from the start? Or will he continue in DIII as the coolest character in the game?

SoulSpectrum · 15-10-2008, 21:46

I think he'll be the coolest character around. There's already enough in the lore to pull some meany villians, that if they did make Tyrael evil it would just be a drag compared to others...
I believe he's good. Izual states that the Primes had a plan to get entrapped in the soul stones, which went according to plan. Tyrael wanted them to be captured, but to be done with, which was his plan. In theory I could see him doing for the Primes, but don't want/expect it to be true.
The World Stones purpose is actually to hide Sanctuary from the Burning Hells and High Heavens. It was so that Inarius could train his lil super race in his own lil world. The High Heavens wanted Sanctuary to be left alone to choose what side of the battle they'll join if any, hoping that they'll take care of the Burning Hells.... lazy angels!... Tyrael didn't see that fit, he wanted to stop the Burning Hells and make Sanctuary an ally to the High Heavens, and by doing so he went against the order of vote by the Angrius council to let it be. That would make sense if he was to be exiled out of the High Heavens. His meddling did indeed do my harm than good...
Where is he after 20 years? That's part of the D3 main story.... why nothing's happened in 20 years.... My bet is that he went to the Angrius Council to warn them of the Burning Hells invasion, to try to pleed with them for Sanctuary and their sakes.... he probably got captured and jailed for that, or Imperius sees that the vote of order was broken, giving him the right to destroy Sanctuary.... who knows?
I like my Tyrael good ><, It'd be to cheesy and Blizzard like for him to turn evil.... that really get boring to see after Warcraft doing that a dozen times.

ZSiegfried · 15-10-2008, 23:58

I also hope he stays good... Tyrael is by far my favourite character in the series and won't enjoy that "twist"... I would actually love to read a book where Tyrael takes the leading role...

Great idea about Tyrael being imprisoned! Wouldn't that be an awesome quest, not unlike the rescue of Cain in DII...Not that I enjoy thinking about killing angels

but still an awesome quest...

And I'm glad that someone still wants to keep some Goodness in the Diablo Universe... Keep it true Brother...

AcidReign · 16-10-2008, 07:51

Tyrael is my favorite character from any game. I hope he remains on the "good" side, and attempts to spread justice even further.

If he is evil, he better be the end game boss..... Otherwise I won't allow it.

ZSiegfried · 16-10-2008, 09:54

At best I think Tyrael is in trouble with the Angiris Council and probably banished or jailed... Hopefully they don't barter him off like they did Inarius to Mephisto... Well if we get to save him then I don't mind, would be an epic quest!

SoulSpectrum · 16-10-2008, 21:13

They could barter him off to the Burning Hells.... that'd please some of those meanies. I have a feeling though, that because of the Sanctuary and High Heavens "time zone difference" That the burning sign from the skies is indeed Tyrael. Why would he fall from the sky like that? Could be because of the Burning Hells raging war on the High Heavens and someone sent him down here because they look at him as a "lesser" being. Tsk tsk, those angels sure or snobby little dou*** bags. His sign could be that the High Heavens are all but lost in this war (leaving who next to fall?).... one possibility. Another is involving the time zone difference. What about Imperius sending him smashing down here because of his betrayl to the council therefore making him nothing more but part of Sanctuary. Keeping in mind that then Imperius would want to raise the vote again for destruction of Sanctuary (which would leave heaven open for the Burning Hells, but that's something entirelly seperate). Tyrael's home isn't anymore, poor boy, so he'd be one of us! All in all, I can honestly see Tyrael as that harpbringer /sign of great flames from above.

ZSiegfried · 16-10-2008, 23:54

WoW, you really out did yourself in conspiracy theories this time round! And it got me really thinking!!! I think you are 100% right!!! I am 99% sure that Tyrael is the burning sign in the sky! He is the commet falling from the sky that hits the Monastery...

Reasons I say this: (I am going from least to most convincing)

1) In the trailer, just as they say "the people pray" it shows the comet falling, praying for what? For help! And who has always been the Divine helper? Tyrael. (I know that at first it seems like a stretch at first but in the bigger picture it will make sense)

2) Where does it show the comet falling on? The Monastery! What do you see on the DIII Blizzard site? Tyrael sitting in the EXACT same monastery!!! You can go check, I am 100% sure that it’s the same place they show in the trailer.

but here come the kickers:

3) Look very closely in the cinematic trailer, you can see something fall through the roof of the monastery around 2:12 on my version and exploding within the monastery. What do you see? Only exploding fire? No, you see blue within the fire, blue wings? maybe?!?

4) And lastly, what makes me 100% sure that it’s an Angel? (Not necessarily Tyrael, but if you think its Tyrael on the Blizzard site it’s probably him) the fact that there is artwork currently on the Blizzard site that shows an Angel immersed in flame!!! At first I thought it was an Angel being attacked but now I am pretty sure it and Angel coming out of flame, which is the comet hitting the monastery!!!

Its Tyrael coming out of the comet!!!

Wow! I am on sugar high at the moment! What do you think? I really hope that other people haven’t seen this and already dismissed it! I would look like a real *** getting excited over nothing!

SoulSpectrum · 17-10-2008, 01:58

Ah, you're quoting what I say almost! there can only be one! you must die..... j/k
Anyways, yeah nice observations on the video. However that angel rising up from flames isn't Tyrael..... or atleast that's my guess.... If it's anyone it's Imperius.... strong firmed sword, that's his slogan. Check it out! Also there's another picture of Tyral shielding his eyes froma luminating Angel.... well that luminating angel has the sword symbol again, Imperius' slogan.... would prove his power of the High Heavens.... showing that he is a major defense of High Heavens, he's the war angel..... player distracts Imperius, Hell takes Heavens, or tries.... simple

Edit: the comet is probably tyrael, but the other angel looks too much like imperius. I'll try to find that picture with both in one. it's a cin drawing(official!)

ZSiegfried · 17-10-2008, 08:08

Oh sorry for almost quoting you directly, I tried to make it sound like it was your theory but obviously didn't do such a good job of it. All I did was see some blue in between the fire, I was just all excited because I found 'proof' that what you said was not theory but a fact(or very close thereto), I can honesty admit that I didn't think that the fire in the sky was Tyrael until your post... Last thing I want to do is steal someone's ideas... And I hope you aren't gunning for my head anytime soon,it would suck loosing it before the game comes out,or a few months after that for that matter... You are probably right about the other angel, the photos I used don't feel like Tyrael but show the fire/angel combo quiet well. I thought that they supported my argument very nicely...

SoulSpectrum · 17-10-2008, 08:55

I don't care about who tells what when or first. Knowledge and information is something that should be shared and passed on by all. It's truely the best way any society can succeed. IT's all cool.
I wasn't saying Tyrael wasn't the meteor... I'm actually with you 100% on that. The picture of the other angel however, I don't feel like it could be anyone else but Imperius. I believe that tyrael was smashed down here and Imperius follows directly to make some statment, because again those angels are self righteous snobby little bastar*s. I think that the game starts with your guy seeing that comet towards the Cathederal and quest by quest you dig you way down to it. Once there you see Tyrael broken in pieces like a little girl getting her pony tail stuck in a lawn mower. Imperius follows and says blah blah blah, behold my superior power I'll crush this pathetic abomination of a world blah blah blah. Then it leads onto something else.... Or it could be Tyrael as the meteor crashing down to give us the warning that Imperius is there.
Here's something that you'll probably love
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