A PKer and The Hostile system are not the same thing

[HouseSpray]

Since some people seem to have a hard time understanding this... I think it needs its own thread.

Someone can LIKE the pk/hostile system and not like the pk trying to kill them. The whole point in going hostile on someone is to kill them... not to be their friends. If you go hostile on someone they are not going to like you. They are going to want to kill you. They like having the option of going hostile on you or killing you. Infact a poll here says around 65% of people like the hostile system.

Just because you are a PK and someone does not like YOU does not mean they do not like the hostile system.

No one that plays hardcore likes it when their character dies... There is no one that likes losing a character permanently... Therefore using flawed logic... No one likes Hardcore mode.

Ater all... If no one likes losing a character permanently... why would they want to play a mode where the only difference is that they lose a character permanently?!?!

Just like when dueling in Hardcore mode... you usually do not like the person you are dueling against... that does not mean you do not like dueling.

This will likely be my last post here for a while or forever... as the mod here has a pve bias and agrues against the hostile sytem... then closes the thread for no reason... in a pvp forum... I was only here because I was having trouble with Blizzards forum.

[Anathema]

Talking about the mods gets folks banned. If you have issue, PM him.

Besides, Diablo is a PvM game. PK and PvP is like a dysfunctional sideshow that was tacked on.

People play HC, I think, for a sort of andreniline rush. Or maybe its to actually have consequence for their mistakes? The challenge level must be very high. All in all, its a mode I don't play- too many times I've lagged and gotten killed for it. But who wants to have some guy ruin alot of hard work and many hours? I would be in favor of removing hostile from HC altogether.

As far as not liking people.. what does dislike have to do with PK? And duels are much more fun against a friend.

[Q33]

Im going off topic, but whatever. A mod is just a person...he/she has their own opinion, and who is to say they aren't allowed to share it? Thats pretty ridiculous. This forum isn't about "winning" or "losing" so who cares if the mod is pro-pk or anti-pk? What a moderator has to be neutral in is when he is deciding if someone is out of line. He must act equally against pro-pkers and anti-pkers if they are not abiding by the forum rules. This has NOTHING to do with his personal opinions on the matter.

Another point, Mike is apparently anti-PK, so why is he mod of a PK forum? Firstly, like is said above, his personal opinions are separate from his ability to moderate. Secondly, look at the title of this forum "PVP and PK". As far as I can see, he has nothing against PVP. PKing isnt the only issue in this forum.

Finally, the threads weren't closed down for "no reason". Alot of those threads started off with good intentions, but apparently many people are incapable of holding mature and civil debates. And while there are many very intelligent and mature pro-PKers, such as Tai, it is quite unfortunate that the pro-PKer side also harbors many of the less mature people who use personal attacks and idiotic remarks as their last resort in a debate. So it might look as if Mike is "attacking" the pro-PK side, but in reality he's just doing his job. If any anti-PK people were using personal attacks or being immature, he'd have to do the same thing to them. If you honestly cannot see the degradation of those threads, then maybe these forums aren't for you. I love these forums because its very intolerant of immature act.

Ive been over to the blizzard forums. They allow flaming and trolling to go completely unhindered. If this is more your environment, then feel free to go back over there.

Edit: ha, Mike probably has to delete this post now cause its OT.

[etslayer]

Originally Posted by Anathema

Besides, Diablo is a PvM game. PK and PvP is like a dysfunctional sideshow that was tacked on.

A typical thing for a PvE oriented player to say, but completely false and, frankley, a little bit obsurd.

PvP was always intended to be a huge part of D2. That is why PK was put into the game in the first place. If you actually believe that the hostile button should be removed from HC, you are not a true fan of online gaming. I think single player is the game for you. Anyone who has actually gotten into the game would realize how important the endgame was to the success and longevity of D2.

[Neferim]

What basis are you using that PvP was always meant to be a -huge- part of Diablo 2? You realize that it's not even mentioned on the back of the box?

Originally Posted by Diablo 2's Box Description

Fiendishly Enhanced Multiplayer
Advanced Battle.Net technology unleashes support for up to 8 players over the internet, including multiplayer quests and a new player ranking system

This is the only section about multiplayer, and it doesn't even mention PvP of any kind, so how were people supposed to know that PvP was "always intended to be a huge part of the game"? Hmm, I typed a few things here about your statement regarding "true fans", but I couldn't finish any of them without getting more heated and/or hostile than I'd like to. Suffice to say, I disagree that a "true fan of online gaming" is defined as slavishly agreeing with your position on HC mode.

[etslayer]

there is no mention of diablo himslelf in that 3 sentence "description" of the product. Come on, seriously...

btw "player ranking system" is a pvp concept. Any player competition = pvp.

[Neferim]

I'm not sure what point you were trying to make about the blurb not mentioning diablo himself, since it's not really related to my point.

The purpose of a box description is to inform potential buyers what features makes your game unique, fun, and ultimately worth their money. The four aspects Blizzard chose to give blurbs about on Diablo 2's box were the five new classes, the four new acts, the equipment & spells, and the multiplayer. Now, you said that PvP was "always intended to be a huge part of D2". It seems to me that if that were true, it would have been mentioned in the multiplayer blurb at some point. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean that it wasn't intended to be a huge part, but I'd like to hear your reasoning why you think so. Note that I'm really only interested in the HUGE part, since I think it's pretty clear that PvP was intended to be in the game to some degree.

As for the player ranking mention, that would be the ladder, which is based solely on character experience and is not directly related to PvP.

[5zigen]

Originally Posted by etslayer

btw "player ranking system" is a pvp concept. Any player competition = pvp.

Uh. Did you play the same D2 that I did? There was no pvp player ranking system. There was, however, a competitive ladder for people who leveled faster than others.

There are several examples of player competition that is not PvP in many games.

[Uncle_Mike]

Originally Posted by etslayer

A typical thing for a PvE oriented player to say, but completely false and, frankley, a little bit obsurd.

PvP was always intended to be a huge part of D2. That is why PK was put into the game in the first place. If you actually believe that the hostile button should be removed from HC, you are not a true fan of online gaming. I think single player is the game for you. Anyone who has actually gotten into the game would realize how important the endgame was to the success and longevity of D2.

You seem to be genuinely interested in D3 and PK. It would be cool if you used counter arguments instead of telling people to play single player or insult them. I can't see anyone saying HC should be hostile free and the poll which had to be closed due to flaming, personal attacks and the general beating the dead horse theme to it also showed that the majority of people want PK to remain part of the game.

3 day temp. If you create another account during the 3 day ban period both accounts will be banned permanently.

Originally Posted by HouseSpray

Infact a poll here says around 65% of people like the hostile system.

This will likely be my last post here for a while or forever... as the mod here has a pve bias and agrues against the hostile sytem... then closes the thread for no reason... in a pvp forum... I was only here because I was having trouble with Blizzards forum.

I've also voted for PK and yet I'm a PvE biassed PvMer who hates PK according to you, etslayer or cbr. I asume those problems with the official Blizzard forum are not of technical nature?

3 day temp as a last warning and when you come back i'd appreciate it if you didn't repost same old arguments time and time again.

This forum isn't my property and i'm perfectly fine with threads i'm not interested in, i'm also perfectly fine with opinion differences. As long as discussions remain civil they are allowed. PK topics seem to degenerate damn fast though.