Hardcore Mode & PKing Poll

[YSM]

This poll is multiple choice because I'm asking two separate questions.

[MoUsE_WiZ]

The hostile button has been there since D1.
It's been continuously nerfed since.
If anyone dies to a legit PK in it's current implementation, they deserved it. It's to the point that PKing borders on being "consentual" pvp as it is, I'd hate to see them take the very last step and remove it all together, it'd make the game sooo dull =/

[Erwwwd]

With legitimate Pk'ing you mean dueling right?

[MoUsE_WiZ]

Originally Posted by Erwwwd

With legitimate Pk'ing you mean dueling right?

No, legit as in not using hacks/exploits. The word would also tend to be associated with dupes, but a legit PK can theoretically have HRs that were self found or cubed, so that part of the definition is a bit irrelevant.

[Erwwwd]

Casting a spell that lasts a couple of seconds, then running to town to lure people there and hostile them is an exploit. Not a game-feature.

Duping is also possible because of the way the game is set up. Doesn't make it "legitimate".

[MoUsE_WiZ]

Originally Posted by Erwwwd

Casting a spell that lasts a couple of seconds, then running to town to lure people there and hostile them is an exploit. Not a game-feature.

What you're describing isn't even possible any more. Spells that linger long enough to literally run to town and hostile have all been patched to disappear upon entering town.

If you're actually trying to describe TPPK (eg using a script to fire a projectile such as guided arrow or iceblast, cast&use a portal, then hit the hostile button, far faster than any human could ever hope to) the poster specifically states in the poll he's not talking about that. And nobody called it "not an exploit". Especially since 99.9% of all attempts at it are done while using hacks.

I guess the closest thing would be done with either bears or mercs. But those aren't "spells that last a couple seconds".

Basically I'm concluding you have no idea what you're talking about.

Duping is also possible because of the way the game is set up. Doesn't make it "legitimate".

I didn't say "duping is legitimate".
What I said, apparently not clearly enough for you, was that it doesn't matter in this context if the player is wearing dupes.
If a lightning sorc with an infinity merc kills you, you don't know that his runes aren't either self found or cubed from ists. They probably are dupes, but if they weren't, you would have died equally.

So you could be legitly PK'd by someone with HRs.

So being PK'd by someone with HRs for the purpose of this poll would be considered a legit PK because you are either for having people with HRs being able to PK or against it.

[Erwwwd]

Well, in that case I agree with you. If the 10 second timer before entering a wp is not avoided in any way and you don't kill with say previously placed traps at a WP than all is fair.

It is just an impromptu duel then, as anyone with half a brain just uses a Town portal to get out within the 10 seconds and wait for the PK'er to start boring himself. If you stay, you want to duel so it is consentual.

[mcgurk]

I think Blizz know that without HC and the chance of being legitimately pk'd a lot of people won't play for very long.

I really hope you can play HC from the start this time instead of having to play SC first.

[prion]

I didn't like this poll at first but since it is being quoted in other threads i had to vote...

first of all, HC or no? we can't really answer that question without knowing the features. If there's a real penalty for death in SC then I would be fine with that. Speaking purely hypothetically we can only take it in the context of what we know now so given that, i voted yes for HC.

Now for the second question I had to vote no. I don't oppose the idea of PK but if you talk to any PKer they will tell you they always get their character rushed and perfectly geared up. They then go back and pick on people playing in normal games who have nowhere near the stats or skills and can't reasonably hope to fight the PKer. That's technically 'legit' but I can't see it in a good light; it's like playing a game that's rigged or competing against someone on steroids.

A lot of legit PKers like to use the term 'hunt' which i think is an interesting and appropriate word, because you all realize the deer can't fight back right?

[psykeman420]

yes for pking in hardcore only

Hardcore should be just that, hardcore. (old school UO for example, you kill a person and can loot their body muahaha)

But pking should be limited to Hardcore mode in my opinon. Though that's just my own.