There is ALLWAYS a better character?

[Generator Of Chaos]

I reckon I'm not exactly the master of PvP... But as far as I've noticed, eather blizzard did it on purpose or it was a "smart mistake", no matter wich character you master on PvP, there is ALLWAYS a character that can take you down...
I dunno if this may be a little out of place, but, it's concerning PvP..

So far, I believe this is how it goes (correct me If I'm wrong):

Trappers <<< Bowazons
Bowazona <<< Bone Necros
Bone Necros <<< Sorcs (without the "ZOMG MEGGA SORBBB")
Sorcs <<< Chargers/Zealers
Those <<< Fury druids
Fury druids <<< WW Barbs
WW barbs <<< Bone Necros

See where I'm going?
This isn't complete, so if anyone has some "adicional info" please post it, or if you wish to correct some of the info here, please back up your statement(e.g. if you claim Fury druids can own WW barbs, please explain HOW..)

Is it me, or there is absolutely no character class that can win over all others? (assuming the player skill and character equipment is perfect)

[BlasphemousMusic]

Originally Posted by Generator Of Chaos

I reckon I'm not exactly the master of PvP... But as far as I've noticed, eather blizzard did it on purpose or it was a "smart mistake", no matter wich character you master on PvP, there is ALLWAYS a character that can take you down...
I dunno if this may be a little out of place, but, it's concerning PvP..

So far, I believe this is how it goes (correct me If I'm wrong):

Trappers <<< Bowazons
Bowazona <<< Bone Necros
Bone Necros <<< Sorcs (without the "ZOMG MEGGA SORBBB")
Sorcs <<< Chargers/Zealers
Those <<< Fury druids
Fury druids <<< WW Barbs
WW barbs <<< Bone Necros

See where I'm going?
This isn't complete, so if anyone has some "adicional info" please post it, or if you wish to correct some of the info here, please back up your statement(e.g. if you claim Fury druids can own WW barbs, please explain HOW..)

Is it me, or there is absolutely no character class that can win over all others? (assuming the player skill and character equipment is perfect)

There isn't any class that can beat everyone every time. Its mainly the user. There are no undefeated duelers, just ones with a winning record.

With your calcs, this is how my scheme would look.

WW Barbs <<< FoH Pally
Bone Necro <<< FoH Pally
ANY Sorc <<< FoH Pally
Trapper <<< FoH Pally
FoH Pally <<< bowazon with HIGH d/a/e and shoots from 4-5 screens away
FoH Pally <<< wind druids w/ summons No chance here
FoH Pally <<< summon necros Small chance if they tele and I hit them right away


See where I am going? I am not claiming to be great, not even good, but this would be your comparison here. When I duel in pubs, I usually win every time against those chars. But thats pubs, and they are not as skilled. People claim fohers suck...have no skill....blah blah blah. It takes a ton of skill to properly dodge fireballs, blizz, spears...etc But most pub duelers are unskilled, or just want to have fun and don't care to use tactics.

Hopefully, this will shed some light on it. Bottom line, no char is unstoppable, its the player using that char that can be.

[Generator Of Chaos]

A good bone necro can beat a foher...just tele around the foher casting BSs... or tele away casting BSs..Fohers have to have you in screen to hit you, Bone Necros don't...

Edit: forgot to add: and yeah, that's my point, I was just wondering if anyone thinks that there is 1 character that can rulle supreme Vs. All.

[morotsjos]

Originally Posted by Generator Of Chaos

Edit: forgot to add: and yeah, that's my point, I was just wondering if anyone thinks that there is 1 character that can rulle supreme Vs. All.

Barbs.............

[RetroStar]

WW Barbs!

10chars

[RetroStar]

Originally Posted by BlasphemousMusic

There isn't any class that can beat everyone every time. Its mainly the user. There are no undefeated duelers, just ones with a winning record.

With your calcs, this is how my scheme would look.

WW Barbs <<< FoH Pally
Bone Necro <<< FoH Pally
ANY Sorc <<< FoH Pally
Trapper <<< FoH Pally
FoH Pally <<< bowazon with HIGH d/a/e and shoots from 4-5 screens away
FoH Pally <<< wind druids w/ summons No chance here
FoH Pally <<< summon necros Small chance if they tele and I hit them right away


See where I am going? I am not claiming to be great, not even good, but this would be your comparison here. When I duel in pubs, I usually win every time against those chars. But thats pubs, and they are not as skilled. People claim fohers suck...have no skill....blah blah blah. It takes a ton of skill to properly dodge fireballs, blizz, spears...etc But most pub duelers are unskilled, or just want to have fun and don't care to use tactics.

Hopefully, this will shed some light on it. Bottom line, no char is unstoppable, its the player using that char that can be.

Couldn't edit.

I'll like to see a well built WW Barb lose to a FoHdin.

Actually Wind Droods without summons can own FoHdins simply because of cyclone armour.

[Generator Of Chaos]

Originally Posted by morotsjos

Barbs.............

wrong, Barbs can't own ALL chars...they are very versatile, but they can't win Vs. ALL chars..

Retro: I've seen that happen...Vs. a godly FoHer...

[RetroStar]

Originally Posted by Generator Of Chaos

wrong, Barbs can't own ALL chars...they are very versatile, but they can't win Vs. ALL chars..

Retro: I've seen that happen...Vs. a godly FoHer...

Godly Foher vs. Crappy WW Barb.

It's possible but very slight chance compared to the WW barb beating the foher.

[Generator Of Chaos]

Originally Posted by RetroStar

Godly Foher vs. Crappy WW Barb.

It's possible but very slight chance compared to the WW barb beating the foher.

It wasn't a crappy barb... Unless by crappy you mean "didn't use a town of absorb on top of maxed resists".

Yes. WW Barbs do have a big possibility of beaiting FoHers, but it's more players then character dependant.

The barb did win a couple times, but the FoHer was dominant..

[Maestro]

Originally Posted by morotsjos

Barbs.............

I duel with a Hammerdin (mainly in pubs) and I don't consider myself to be extremely skilled or anything like that. I usually lose to a lot of Bone necros 200 fcr fsb sorcs, FOHs, Trappers (with mind blast) and especially wind druids (@#$% minion stacking *lol*). So the thing is, while I consider the Hammerdin class to be omnipotent when it comes to PvM, they plain suck in PvP.

Strangely enough though, the one class that I absolutely eat alive are the Barbs (especially the Whirl wind ones). Many times a barb would just tele wirlwind on me, sometimes long, sometimes short, even triangular occasionally and then just assume that I'm dead. However when using a Hoz together with near maxed holy shield my block rate from what I hear goes up from 75% to 82% chance to block which means I can tank virtually any whirlwind that comes my way.

Ofcourse people talk about barb strategies such as telewhirling from the south of my character, using high lvl leap for stun/knock back etc... but to me these strategies are just plain silly. The reason being is cause I have enough fhr (using shaeled Shako + Sandtreks + a load of fhr sc's) that I can just stand still, wait on the barb to eventually wirlwind me, take at the most one hit from the wirl wind (many times... no hits at all), and still get my hammers out before he can tele away (this goes for the short and triangular whirls as well). After that its pretty much academic since three to four 12K hammers = dead barb.

My whole point above is just to reinforce the fact that NO character can own all others.