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Ever since i moved from expansion to classic (a while ago) ive noticed that the ww skill seems so overpowered. for instance.
My lvl 82 energy shield sorc (max es, max telek, 20 orb, 20 cm) had 1.4k mana about 80% absorb and 800 life. had 60 block w/ a 30/20 priz shield and 60 fhr.
In most pubby games noob barbs w/ low marts// bonesnaps/ steeldriver/ and whatnot could kill her in 1 full ww most of the time(when they cuaght me cuz i lagged). And when i was hit w/ conc it would go down ~40 life. I think that the ww breakpoints on classic are bugged so that any wepon w/ ww is as fast as the next.
a 600 damage ww w/ 5k ar shouldnt own her that easy, especially since most of the barbs wrere lvl 50-60.
Ever since i moved from expansion to classic (a while ago) ive noticed that the ww skill seems so overpowered. for instance.
My lvl 82 energy shield sorc (max es, max telek, 20 orb, 20 cm) had 1.4k mana about 80% absorb and 800 life. had 60 block w/ a 30/20 priz shield and 60 fhr.
In most pubby games noob barbs w/ low marts// bonesnaps/ steeldriver/ and whatnot could kill her in 1 full ww most of the time(when they cuaght me cuz i lagged). And when i was hit w/ conc it would go down ~40 life. I think that the ww breakpoints on classic are bugged so that any wepon w/ ww is as fast as the next.
a 600 damage ww w/ 5k ar shouldnt own her that easy, especially since most of the barbs wrere lvl 50-60.
Fred
you are a sorc, dont get hit...
20orb/mastery isnt very strong and most barbs can get high resist to cold so
your orbs would do very little dmg. i have a post in the locked "all things classic" thread where i used my sorc with 28icebolt/orb/mastery vs my barb/pal with different setups. while the orb did a ton of dmg when they had low resist to cold they took next to no dmg when i had +400% resist to cold on.
the thing with ww in d2c is that it doesnt have any breakpoints. all weapons attack at the same speed
600 dmg ww is very low even for a 1hd weapon. a barb with high str or a good weapon can hit 2k dmg (without auras/enchant) open wounds/crushing blow is going to also add a ton of dmg as will some poison dmg.
a very good barb can do ~2000 ww dmg
a very good hammerdin can do 15,000 bh dmg
a very good enchant sorc and add 1800 fire dmg to an attack (or +5k with hallcast)
an amz with max LF...
a necro with max bone skills...
a sorc with max blizzard, metero, lightning...
no a ww barb isnt overpower. the need items to do anything (like most melee builds)
This isnt about my orb not hurting or hurting other characters. This is about most ww barbs killing other characters in 1 ww, even if their weapon is not very good. I saw a lvl 9x sorc w/ amazing godly gear all socketed and perfect stuff.... die to a lvl 6x barb in 1 ww who had crappy items like low ed steeldriver, manald heal cathans, sigons etc. and he said he put all his points into dex cuz his frend told him 2 even tho he was using a maul . basically he was a n00b.
and as to my sorc not getting hit, if she lags, theirs nothing i can do
one ww could hit 6 times, those hits can add up fast
even a barb made badly can still have max BO and a lot of life. the barb also gets more life/point in vit then other chars. how much life did the sorc have? did they have ES and how much mana did they have. the barb also has the NR skill.
many barbs that fight amz, sorc will go with a lot of r/w so they can close the gap between them and the other char. the slow they are the more dmg they could be hit by. if the barb is smart they will have cant be frozen on so they wont slow down when running after that other char.
now if you were to talk about LOD PvP and most chars using teleport you may find thats just one of the many reasons why people come back to D2C for pvp or pvm.
my sorc had 800 life 1.4k mana w/ 80% energy shield. and, again, this isnt about my*deleted* orb. its about ww hurting 2 much. 60 block w/ 30 fbr. 60 fhr.
Watch your language, unless you want a temp or permanent ban.
WW hits so fast and so often that even a 75% block wouldn't be enough to prevent all damage. Sorcies need to get out of the way when a WW barb starts doing his thing (you can set up a Blaze, Meteor, Hydra, Blizzard, or Thunderstorm so that as he's moving towards you, he takes some damage; if he gets too close, teleport away). The WW isn't overpowered...you just need to adopt a new strategy to deal with it (WW CAN and has been defeated before...I remember tricking one into attacking me next to about ten Venom Lord corpses - I CEd him into oblivion).
I honestly think WW is bugged, not in terms of speed, because it's been like that for a long time, but in regards to blocking.
I made a Defiant one time, and with Shout he could get 12k defense. 12k defense and 75% blocking. I'd walk, because running lowers block, to block as much as possible. Yet Whirlwind barbs still got a lot of hits in. It took them a lot longer than other characters, but what dif is 5 passes to 1 or 2 on other characters? Nothing. I should have block 75%, yet it seemed to have 40-50% hitting me.
I honestly think WW is bugged, not in terms of speed, because it's been like that for a long time, but in regards to blocking.
I made a Defiant one time, and with Shout he could get 12k defense. 12k defense and 75% blocking. I'd walk, because running lowers block, to block as much as possible. Yet Whirlwind barbs still got a lot of hits in. It took them a lot longer than other characters, but what dif is 5 passes to 1 or 2 on other characters? Nothing. I should have block 75%, yet it seemed to have 40-50% hitting me.
the the person you fight is higher lev then you they have an easy time hitting you. 12k def is nice but how much AR did the other person have? the # of hits also depends on the range of the weapon used and how long they are in range of you.
If you have a mass of corpses bunched together in a p8 duel game, how does CE do in pvp if it hits em if their amped?
Depends on the level of CE (range), lag issues, game difficulty, whether u are in blood moor and the corpses are carvers, etc... I would guess that the 1/3 damage in pvp situations applies to CE. My necro frequently kills non-barbs this way, using lower resist (for pnova skill). But amp would be better. Why? cuz CE is half physical damage and half fire damage. Fire is probably 75% resisted on a good barb, who also prob has max bo. Some players may be wearing items that make their fireres over 75%, so with a 50% lowres curse, it may lower their 90% res to 40%. These barbs prob have a good level of IncrSpeed, so lag issues come into play. A very high lvl of CE would help to increase the prob that they are going to be within range and get hit. I havent tried decrep, which amps somewhat less and slows, that might work better.
If u are playing in an 8 person normal game and all are high chars, forget it if u got 20 carver corpses in the blood moor. Try for the zombies in a hell game.
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