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View Poll Results: What has caused climate change?
current climate change is the result of man-made influences 3 10.00%
current climate change is the result of many things: mostly man-made 6 20.00%
current climate change is the result of many things: mostly natural causes 8 26.67%
current climate change is the result of natural causes 7 23.33%
hell, I don't know, and know one else knows for sure either 6 20.00%
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Old 30-10-2009, 03:02   #61
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Re: So, your opinion on that there climate change thing

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If you had read the article, you would have realized that it only shows one thing. "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
The article failed to mention what form the data took. Of course it was a time series, but was it in fahrenheit, or celcius? The conversion distorts comparative relationships, so doing your analysis on degrees fahrenheit numbers can hide a trend or make one appear. Of course the article didn't link to a file with the data, so no one can verify that it was accurate data.
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Old 30-10-2009, 11:14   #62
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Of course the article didn't link to a file with the data, so no one can verify that it was accurate data.
Yeah, there seems to be a lot of that going around...
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Interpreting climate data can be hard enough. What if some key data have been fiddled?

Imagine if there were no reliable records of global surface temperature. Raucous policy debates such as cap-and-trade would have no scientific basis, Al Gore would at this point be little more than a historical footnote, and President Obama would not be spending this U.N. session talking up a (likely unattainable) international climate deal in Copenhagen in December.

Steel yourself for the new reality, because the data needed to verify the gloom-and-doom warming forecasts have disappeared.
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Old 18-11-2009, 00:21   #63
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Re: So, your opinion on that there climate change thing

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If you had read the article, you would have realized that it only shows one thing. "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
Once again, your detailed rebuttals are breathtaking in scope.

On a more interesting note, I found this in a copy of the Wall Street Journal I was reading last week. Hardly surprising, given that this is the EPA we're talking about, but it's nice to know our government is dedicated to seeking the truth, rather than playing politics. /sarcasm
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Old 18-11-2009, 05:11   #64
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Re: So, your opinion on that there climate change thing

It's still the Sun People.
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Old 18-11-2009, 10:36   #65
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It's still the Sun People.
Of course it is the sun -.- We get all our energy here from the sun -.-

But the question is, how much of the energy stais here in our atmosphere...

Even the UN realy has to accept by now that climate change is happening. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3x4OnMPeCs
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Old 18-11-2009, 12:04   #66
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Even the UN realy has to accept by now that climate change is happening.
Oh, this is too rich. I guess you don't know that the IPCC was formed <by> the UN with the expressed purpose of 'proving' GW? In other words, the UN formed a task force to prove the existence of something and suggest ways to solve that same thing. The ideal solutions just happen to involve the UN gathering massive wealth and exercising extraordinary punitive power internationally.

Convenient, to say the least.
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Re: So, your opinion on that there climate change thing

This discussion bores me.
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This discussion bores me.
Well, it's talking about the weather.
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Old 19-11-2009, 02:35   #69
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Re: So, your opinion on that there climate change thing

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Once again, your detailed rebuttals are breathtaking in scope.
Apparently you didn't read it either. I see the link no longer works though, so maybe you just didn't get the chance to read it.

There was no need to pick it apart point by point because it fell to pieces all on its own. There were more buts in that article than there are on Skinemax.
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Old 20-11-2009, 21:13   #70
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Re: So, your opinion on that there climate change thing

A brand spankin' new study in Science shows that, at least in the Arctic Ocean, the waters are warming and there is increased CO2 in the oceans. If you have access to the magazine read it, it's a fairly short paper. If you don't have access to it, if I were PMed and asked nicely I may/may not be able to provide a copy...title follows:

Aragonite Undersaturation in the Arctic Ocean: Effects of Ocean Acidification and Sea Ice Melt

Basically it is hard numbers on the amount of aragonite (what shellfish, fish, and plankton, among other animals, use to make shells, etc.) found in the waters as well as other easily measured parameters like dissolved inorganic carbon, oxygen/CO2 levels, temperature, salinity, etc. The study was done over a 10-12 year period and shows obvious warming. It doesn't directly attribute the warming to man, but the connections are fairly obvious.
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