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    Blizzard on Tyrael and Archangel Lore

    Some Blue posts about Diablo 3 lore issues, regarding Tyrael and other angelic stuff.

    Why can Tyreal still wield El'Druin if he is no longer an angel?
    Nevalistis: Tyrael's mortality has no bearing on his ability to wield El'druin. After all, it's his sword. =) This is also not the first time a mortal being has wielded El'druin. Jacob Staalek once used the sword to great effect protecting his home. This event was covered in the comic books and referenced in the Book of Tyrael.


    I still can't fathom why Malthael wouldn't try to simply kill Tyrael on the spot, though...
    Nevalistis: Malthael is extremely in tune with souls.When he inspected Tyrael's soul, he found no evidence of demonic taint. Ergo, he did not consider Tyrael his enemy. It really is that simple, as Death tends to see things in black and white.


    The sword. Focus on the sword.
    The sword. Focus on the sword.

    I'm wondering why El'druin brought back his power though, unless it's as simple as just him forgetting who he is so he has a hidden power and El'druin helps him remember, releasing the power.

    Nevalistis: El'druin is a unique item in that it isn't simply an angelic weapon, but a part of Tyrael. In order for Tyrael to be whole again after he cast himself from the High Heavens, El'druin needed to be restored. It's inexorably tied to his being, regardless of what state Tyrael is in. Hypothetically speaking, if Tyrael were to somehow become an actual human, El'druin would remain equally integral to his being. [source]


    I was reading the Book of Cain this weekend and it makes clear that the Angels don't really have physical bodies; they're not like, immortal people in shiny armor. Their armor is part of their essence; not something they put on or take off, or send out to be polished by their squires. Witness how Tyrael ripped off his armor when he became human in the cinematic; it was like he was tearing away part of his body, and his shoulder pads just dissolved into nothing once they hit the ground.

    The weapons used by the Angels don't seem to be quite the same. They are weapons; external objects that aren't just grown out from the Angel's non-body, but they are also closely attuned to the Angels. Tyrael's sword as Blue'd above, but also something like Imperius' spear Solarion. Yes, it's a stick with a metal point, but Imperius doesn't carry it around all the time; he can sort of dispel it to nothing when he's not using it, and when he wants it back he can summon it to his hand like a bolt of lightning from the sky. You see that summoning in the Diablo 3 cinematic before Act Four, and you also see it get broken then by Diablo, and yet it's whole again later in the act when Imperius is threatening your hero while brandishing it.

    It's not clear how Malthael's scythes fit into this dynamic; they're not mentioned or named at all in the Book of Cain, so presumably they're special as his trademark weapon, but not so character-specific and essential as Tyrael's sword or Imperius' spear.

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    what sword?

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    Each archangel has a special item (not necessarily a weapon). As archangel of wisdom, Malthael had the Chalice of Wisdom (Chal'adar or somthing like that). The scythes could be his Angel of Death thing, but he had them long before becoming Death, so they may just be "normal" angelic weapons.

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    Book of Tyrael is a total misnomer. There's one chapter "written" by Tyrael. Everything else is Cain's, w/ a few notes in the margin by Tyrael. There are also a few pages from Leah's journal (and she writes a few notes in the margins of Cain\'s notes).

    One thing that isn't made all that clear, in any source, is how an angel, w/ no darkness in him at all, somehow gains fear, anxiety, and doubt once he becomes mortal. As if the state of mortality itself contains the two\"supernatural" states of being (Heavens and Hells). The writers go out of their way to point out that Tyrael is simply a mortal angel, not a human. Humans (and nephalem) are half angel and half demon. But in Book of Tyrael, he claims he slowly starts to see things as humans do, he feels the fear, the doubt, but also the courage. So how does the mortal condition give an angel insight into the demonic half of being human? Where does it come from?

    Also, there's a character sheet, written by Cain, that's kind of interesting, although the deceased tag isn't used very judiciously. The passage on Warriv is just flat out mean.

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    Re: Blizzard on Tyrael and Archangel Lore

    Quote Originally Posted by trocadero View Post
    One thing that isn't made all that clear, in any source, is how an angel, w/ no darkness in him at all, somehow gains fear, anxiety, and doubt once he becomes mortal. As if the state of mortality itself contains the two\"supernatural" states of being (Heavens and Hells). The writers go out of their way to point out that Tyrael is simply a mortal angel, not a human. Humans (and nephalem) are half angel and half demon. But in Book of Tyrael, he claims he slowly starts to see things as humans do, he feels the fear, the doubt, but also the courage. So how does the mortal condition give an angel insight into the demonic half of being human? Where does it come from?
    i think angels do feel fear, anxiety and the like. They just don't feel them very often given their immortality and god-like powers.

    When Tyrael became mortal, he had to worry about things like food and sleep. New experiences gives him some insight as to how humans live.

    "Learning to be human" is a fairly common plot device in science fiction & fantasy, one of my favourites:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNo4yehpezc

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    Re: Blizzard on Tyrael and Archangel Lore

    Quote Originally Posted by fmulder View Post
    i think angels do feel fear, anxiety and the like. They just don't feel them very often given their immortality and god-like powers.

    When Tyrael became mortal, he had to worry about things like food and sleep. New experiences gives him some insight as to how humans live.

    "Learning to be human" is a fairly common plot device in science fiction & fantasy, one of my favourites:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNo4yehpezc
    This seems quite interesting to read. I want to play the video you provided, but it can not be played.

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    Quote Originally Posted by setyadwi View Post
    This seems quite interesting to read. I want to play the video you provided, but it can not be played.
    That video was a clip from the movie Terminator 2 where John teaches the Terminator to be more human. It makes the character more sympathetic and relatable.

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    Re: Blizzard on Tyrael and Archangel Lore

    Well in a way it would make sense that Tyrael starts to feel things that humans do. Being a mortal does change your look/scope/vision on your life a little different. I bet you don't feel as much fear if you were to be inmortal. (it's like playing softcore and hardcore =P).

    There is a question I have been wondering about. Maltheal did look surprised/weird when he saw he was extracting Tyrael's soul. I think on top of the blue post, Maltheal was surprised he could draw out his soul. If he is the Angel of Death, I think he can't drag out souls of immortal angels and demons, but only of mortals (Humans). Toughts?

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    Re: Blizzard on Tyrael and Archangel Lore

    Quote Originally Posted by Warnicro View Post

    There is a question I have been wondering about. Maltheal did look surprised/weird when he saw he was extracting Tyrael's soul. I think on top of the blue post, Maltheal was surprised he could draw out his soul. If he is the Angel of Death, I think he can't drag out souls of immortal angels and demons, but only of mortals (Humans). Toughts?
    I am not certain he was surprised, its hard to tell with someone who has no face

    The Storm of Light novel states that Tyrael becoming human was an unprecedented event and Maltahel had agents in Heaven doing his bidding. My guess is that Malthael wanted to see if Tyrael had somehow gotten Demonic essence into himself in order to become mortal. After observing Tyrael's essence closely and seeing there was nothing Demonic there Malthael tossed him aside and continued with his objective to obtain the Black Soulstone.

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    Re: Blizzard on Tyrael and Archangel Lore

    Quote Originally Posted by fmulder View Post
    I am not certain he was surprised, its hard to tell with someone who has no face


    The Storm of Light novel states that Tyrael becoming human was an unprecedented event and Maltahel had agents in Heaven doing his bidding. My guess is that Malthael wanted to see if Tyrael had somehow gotten Demonic essence into himself in order to become mortal. After observing Tyrael's essence closely and seeing there was nothing Demonic there Malthael tossed him aside and continued with his objective to obtain the Black Soulstone.

    That is probably the only thing yes. Just wish there was a little more intresting tought behind it. Guess thats why I was a little dissapointed with Maltheal lore/campaign part in Act5. Considering he is the Angel of Wisdom and was gone for such a long time, I would have hoped he has a bit more of a plan, aside from nicking the stone at the right time and going to pandemonium fortress.


    Found it rather poor he made the choice to break the stone and "consume" it in order to defeat the nephelm. Instead I would have hoped he tried to stop you from getting the death touch so he would easily have killed the nephelm or atleast gave tought to the fact that if he died with the stone consumed the eternal conflict would be dropped back from where it started cause he released all evils.


    I can think of countless other options in order to make intrestring cliffhangers for future expansions instead of trying to put all the story and just killing maltheal. being the hero and resseting eveyrthing again in one expansion or atleast the size of the act in which it was presented (which storywise is smaller than ACtI or II).

    Not to mention the very poor end with one 1 single line presented by Tyreal, he release diablo! (not to mention he release ALL evils, not just diablo, which is probably an even bigger problem).

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