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    Big List of DH Datamined skills changed from RoS

    Digging through the hay stack of datamined skill strings, I wanted to sort them out and put them into order so as to better get a sense of what's changing. Formatting and comments added. Lots of the raw data dump of the datamining lists skills that are changed only in wording, so I didn't include those here to increase the signal to noise ratio.

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    Standard disclaimer: all figures are from pre-beta RoS and there will definitely be big changes between now and launch.


    __________________Demon Hunter Passive Skills_____________________

    Thrill of the Hunt: (DB)

    Every 6 (Old: 7) seconds, your next skill that costs Hatred will immobilize all enemies hit for 2 seconds.


    Vengeance:

    Unchanged.


    Cull the Weak: (DB)

    Increase damage against slowed enemies by 20%. (Formerly 15%)


    Brooding: (DB)

    Gain 1.5% Life regeneration per second. for every second you remain stationary, stacking up to 3 times. This bonus is reset 5 seconds after you move. (Formerly 2% per second, no stacking, with no connection to moving or not.)


    Hot Pursuit:
    Unchanged except wording.


    Archery: (DB)
    • Gain a bonus based on your weapon type:
    • Bow: 8% increased damage (formerly 15%)
    • Crossbow: 50% Critical Hit Damage (unchanged)
    • Hand Crossbow: 5% Critical Hit Chance (formerly 10%)
    • 2nd Hand Crossbow: 1 Hatred generation (new)


    Curious changes, especially since the only one most players think is at all OP now is Crossbow's CD, since it ties so well with the OP Manticore.

    Numbing Traps

    Unchanged.

    Perfectionist:

    Unchanged.

    Custom Engineering: (DB)

    Increase the duration of your Caltrops, Marked for Death, Spike Trap, and Sentry by 100%. / Increase the maximum number of Sentries to 0 and Spike Traps to 0. (Bug in the DM or game listing on the maximum number of traps.)


    Grenadier: (DB)

    Increase the damage of grenades by 20%. Increase the explosion size of grenades by 40%. Upon death, you drop a giant grenade that explodes for 1000% weapon damage as Fire.
    • Old version: Increases Hatred generated from Grenades by 2 and reduces the Hatred cost of Cluster Arrow by 10. Upon death, you drop a giant grenade that explodes for 450% weapon damage as Fire. Increases Hatred generated from Grenades by 2 and reduces the Hatred cost of Cluster Arrow by 10. Upon death, you drop a giant grenade that explodes for 450% weapon damage as Fire.



    Sharpshooter[/URL]: (DB)

    Gain 4% Critical Hit Chance every second. This bonus is reset 1 second after you successfully critically hit. (Old verison was 3%.)


    Ballistics: (DB)

    Increase damage of rockets by 100%. (Old was 50%.)
    In addition, you have a 20% chance to fire a homing rocket for 150% weapon damage when you attack. (newly added)




    -------------------------New Demon Hunter Passives:------------------------------

    Single Out:

    Gain 20% Critical Hit Chance against enemies who are more than 20 yards away from any other enemies.

    Awareness:
    Gain 4% Dodge Chance every second. This bonus is reset 1 second after you successfully dodge an attack.

    Takeoff:
    Gain 20% movement speed increase for every second you remain stationary, stacking up to 3 times. This bonus is reset 5 seconds after you move.


    I feel like they refuse to add any death cheating passives just to spite me. That said, I like the idea of Takeoff. I thought they could change Hot Pursuit to work something like this, where it would give you a big burst of speed after a battle. But something new that does it is okay also.

    I'm going to vote NO on Singled Out. I think the DH has a big need for some better burst damage options but I'd like it to be something I trigger myself, and it needs to work on champions also, or Boss and minions. This one wouldn't even work on Ubers, most of the time. (Maybe it would be useful for Loot Runs, if there are moments with just individual big enemies? Nice try on the concept, but fail on execution.


    ___________________________Demon Hunter Active Skills_______________________________


    Multishot: (DB)

    Fire a massive volley of arrows dealing 220% weapon damage to all enemies in the area. (Old 165% damage.)
    Cost: 25 Hatred (Old 30)
    • Full Broadside: Increase the damage of Multishot to 286% weapon damage. (Old 215% damage.)
    • Burst Fire: Each time you fire, generate a shock pulse that damages nearby enemies within 12 yards for 200% weapon damage as Arcane. (Old was 65% damage.)
    • Arsenal: Every time you fire, launch 3 rockets at nearby enemies that each deal 200% weapon damage as Fire. (Old was 60% damage.)
    • Fire at Will: Reduce the Hatred. cost to 15. Multishot's damage turns into Lightning. (Unchanged cost. Lightning damage now jumps between enemies.)
    • Surpression Fire: Gain 1 Discipline. for each enemy hit. Maximum 6 Discipline gain per Multishot. (The cap of 6 is newly added.)


    Pretty good buffs across the board on Multishot. Currently almost no one uses anything other than Fire at Will, so it'll be interesting to see if the slight drop in base cost will increase use of the other runes. There are some new and better ways to gain Hatred in RoS as well, of course.

    Fan of Knives: (DB)

    Throw knives out in a spiral around you, dealing 320% weapon damage to all enemies within 20 yards. Your knives will also Slow the movement of enemies by 60% for 2 seconds. Cooldown: 8 seconds. Cost: 0 Hatred.
    (Range is increased from 10 to 20y and cooldown is lowered from 10 to 8s. Cost is 20 hatred now. Note that all cooldowns can be further reduced with new items and Paragon points, possibly making this spammable.)
    • Hail of Knives: Remove the cooldown but adds a 30 Hatred cost.
    • Assassin's Knives: Also throw long-range knives that deal 70% weapon damage to 5 additional enemies. (Only changed to clarify wording.)
    • Fan of Daggers: Imbue your knives with a 100% chance to nockback. (Formerly 60% chance to stun.)
    • Pinpoint Accuracy: Double the damage but increase the cooldown to 12 seconds. (Formerly called Crippling Razors, and it used to increase slow to 80%.)
    • Bladed Armor: Bladed Armor / Gain 30]% additional armor for 4 seconds. Surround yourself with whirling blades that deal 464% weapon damage to all enemies if you are struck in the next 10. (Unclear in the DM data if one or both effects are present.)


    I've long thought this should be the centerpiece of a cool variant sword/board melee DH build. And maybe it can be, with ways to remove or at least greatly reduce the cooldown, which was what kept it from being a viable skill previously.

    Bola Shot: (DB)

    Shoot out an explosive bola that wraps itself around the enemy. After 1 second, the bola explodes dealing 160% weapon damage as Fire to the enemy and an additional 110% weapon damage as Fire to all other enemies within 14 yards.Generate: 3 Hatred (Unchanged.)
    • Imminent Doom: Augment the bola to deal 216% weapon damage as Arcane to the enemy and 149% weapon damage as Arcane to all other enemies within 14 yards, but increases the explosion delay to 2 seconds. (Previously 9 yards.)


    The other rune effects are unchanged. Note that Poison and Lightning have secondary effects in RoS, so those runes might be a bit more useful for the elemental damage type switch.

    Entangling Shot: (DB)

    Imbue an arrow with shadow energy that deals 90% weapon damage and entangles up to 2 enemies, slowing their movement by 60% for 2 seconds.
    (Unchanged base and rune effects.)


    Vault: (DB)

    Tumble acrobatically 35 yards. 8 Discipline cost (Unchanged.)

    • Acrobatics: Remove the Discipline cost but add an 8 second cooldown. (formerly 10s cooldown.)
    • Action Shot: While Vaulting, shoot 4 arrows for 75% weapon damage at nearby enemies. These shots are guaranteed Critical Hits. (Formerly no number of shots listed (it was usually 2 in use) and the guaranteed Crit part is new.)
    • Rattling Roll: Enemies you vault through are knocked away and Stunned for 1.5 seconds. (Formerly only enemies within 8 yards of your destination were knocked back. Now it sounds like all enemies along the path?)




    Spike Trap: (DB)

    Lay a trap that arms after 2 seconds and triggers when an enemy approaches. The trap has a 2 second re-arming time and can explode up to 3 times, each time dealing 200% weapon damage to all enemies within 8 yards.
    You can have a maximum of 3 Spike Traps active at one time.
    Cost: 30 Hatred
    (Formerly it had a 1 second arming time but only exploded once.)
    • Long Fuse: Increase the arming and re-arming time to 3 seconds but increases damage to 270% weapon damage. (Formerly 2 seconds and 371% damage.)
    • Echoing Blast: Increase the damage to 240% weapon damage asand turns the damage into Poison. (Formerly this exploded 3 times, so the base skill is kind of what this used to be. )
    • Sticky Trap: Plant a bomb on an enemy rather than on the ground. After 2 seconds, the bomb explodes dealing 280% weapon damage to all enemies within 8 yards. (Formerly within 30 seconds, 404% weapon damage and 16 yards.)
    • Lightning Rod: When the trap is triggered, it releases a pulse of lightning that will bounce to up to 3 enemies for 200% weapon damage as Lightning. (Formerly 275% damage.)


    The changes are interesting; some of the rune effects seem like nerfs on damage, but not when you consider the base skill is now up to a triple explosion.

    Grenades: (DB)

    Throw out 5 grenades that explode for 95% weapon damage as Fire each. (Formerly 3 grenades.)
    Generate: 3 Hatred
    • Gas Grenades: Throw 3 gas grenades that explode for 95% weapon damage as Poison and leave a cloud that deals an additional 75% weapon damage as Poison over 3 seconds to enemies who stand in the area. (Only changed in wording.)
    • Cluster Grenades: Throw cluster grenades that deal 112% weapon damage as Fire over a 36 yard radius. (Was 8y radius.)
    • Grenade Cache: Throw out 5 grenades that explode for 95% weapon damage as Fire each. (Formerly Fire Bomb, which was one grenade for 124% damage.)
    • Tinkerer: Increase Hatred generated to 6. (Unchanged.)




    Chakram: (DB)

    Fire a swirling Chakram that deals 200% weapon damage as Physical to enemies along its path. (Formerly 170%.)
    Cost: 10 Hatred
    • Twin Chakrams: A second Chakram mirrors the first. Each Chakram deals 130% weapon damage as Physical. (Formerly 114%.)
    • Boomerang: The Chakram path turns into a loop, dealing 240% weapon damage as Lightning to enemies along its path. (Formerly 230%.)
    • Serpentine: The Chakram follows a slow curve, dealing 270% weapon damage as Poison to enemies along the path. (Formerly 230%.)
    • Razor Disk: The Chakram spirals out from the targeted location dealing 220% weapon damage as Arcane to enemies along the path. (Formerly 187%.)
    • Shruiken Cloud: Surround yourself with spinning Chakrams for 2 minutes, dealing 50% weapon damage per second as Physical to nearby enemies. (Formerly 34% damage.)


    Buffs across the board. Enough to make anyone use this skill? Remains to be seen.


    Caltrops:
    (Unchanged.)



    Cluster Arrow: (DB)

    Cost: 40 Hatred / Fire a cluster arrow that explodes for 300% weapon damage as Fire into a series of 4 additional grenades that each explode for 135% weapon damage as Fire. (Formerly 50 cost, 225% damage, and 100% bomb explosion damage.
    • Loaded for Bear: Increase the damage of the explosion at the impact location to 405% weapon damage as Fire. (Formerly 304%.)
    • Shooting Stars: Instead of releasing grenades, release up to 3 rockets at nearby enemies that each deal 300% weapon damage as Physical. (Formerly 175% damage.)
    • Cluster Bombs: Launch a cluster through the air, dropping grenades in a straight line that each explode for 280% weapon damage as Fire. (Formerly 230% damage..)
    • Maelstrom: Instead of releasing bombs, release up to 5 shadow tendrils at nearby enemies that each deal 225% weapon damage as Physical. You gain 1% Life per enemy hit. (Formerly 165% damage and 4% life leech.)
    • Dazzling Arrow: Enemies hit by the grenades have a 75% chance to be stunned for 2 seconds. Cluster Arrow's damage turns into Physical. (Formerly 55% damage.)



    Marked for Death: (DB)

    Base unchanged:
    • Contagion: When the enemy is killed, the mark spreads to the closest 3 enemies within 30 yards. This effect can chain repeatedly. (Formerly 2 targets without any listed range limit.)
    • Mortal Enemy: Attacks that you and your allies make against the marked enemy generate resources: / *Demon Hunter: 3 Hatred. / *Barbarian: 2 Fury / *Crusader: 2 Wrath / *Monk: 3 Spirit / *Witch Doctor: 16 Mana / *Wizard: 4 Arcane Power. (Specific amounts of resource now notated.)


    I'd hoped for some bigger buffs to this one since it seems good potential for a DH burst damage. But I've just never found it very useful for that purpose since it's single target or else a slow growth. Where's the 25y radius splash everything rune?

    Sentry: (DB)
    Drop a turret on the ground. The turret fires at nearby enemies for 175% weapon damage. Lasts 30 seconds. / You may have 2 turrets active at a time. Cost: 30 Hatred Cooldown: 6 seconds (Formerly 6s cooldown.)
    • Vigilant Watcher: The turret now fires a bolt with a 100% chance to pierce. (Formerly reduced cooldown to 6s.)


    Surprised not to see more buffs or changes for a skill that's far from popular now. Perhaps they're still working on ideas to buff it?

    Hungering Arrow: (DB)
    Unchanged base function:
    • Serrated Arrow:Increase Hatred generated to 6. (Formerly Cinder Arrow, which added 35% fire damage over 3s.)

    Other rune effects are unchanged.


    Smoke Screen: (DB)
    Vanish behind a wall of smoke, becoming momentarily invisible for 1 second.
    Cost: 14 Discipline
    Cooldown: 2 seconds (The cooldown is new.)
    • Healing Vapors: Regenerate 10% Life while invisible. (Formerly Breath Deep, which regenerated 12 Hatred per second.)
    • Special Recipe: Remove the Discipline cost but add a 14 second cooldown. (Formerly reduced cost to 12 Discipline with no cooldown.)
    • Displacement: Gain 60% movement speed while invisible. (Formerly 35%.)


    The addition of a cooldown time is a huge change for Smoke Screen. Many DHs can now go completely invulnerable for 10 or 12 seconds (or longer), thanks to high base Discipline, big discipline regen from skills, Preparation, and the ability to cast Smoke Screen repeatedly. Adding a cooldown, even such a short one, will make a considerable difference for DHs used to standing with impunity in the middle of the worst killing fields.

    Remember that cooldowns can be reduced with some new gear, and with Paragon points.

    Shadow Power: (DB)

    Draw in the power of the shadows, gaining 826 Life per Hit for 5 seconds. (Formerly 15% life steal for 5s.)
    Cost: 14 Discipline
    • Night Bane: Slow the movement speed of enemies within 30 yards by 60% for 3 seconds. (Formerly 3s Hatred per second.)
    • Gloom: Reduce damage taken by 25% while Shadow Power is active. (Formerly 35%.)
    • Well of Darkness: Remove the Discipline cost but add a 14 second cooldown. (Formerly lowered Discipline cost to 12.)
    • Blood Moon: Increase Life per Hit gain to 1239. (Formerly 25% life steal.)


    First Smoke Screen and now Gloom: clearly Blizzard thought the Demon Hunter had it too good on the main defensive skills. This change is simlar to a bunch that the Barb got, with Life Steal changed to Life on Hit (or Life per Fury Spent).

    Rain of Vengeance:

    Unchanged in function.


    Elemental Arrow: (DB)
    Base function unchanged.
    • Frost Arrow: Shoot a frost arrow that hits an enemy for 170% weapon damage as Cold then splits into up to 10 additional frost arrows. Enemies hit have their movement speed slowed by 60% for 1 second. (Formerly split into only 3 shards.)
    • Nether Tentacles: Shoot a shadow tentacle that deals 155% weapon damage to enemies along its path and returns 0.2% of your maximum Life for each enemy hit. (Formerly 3% Life Steal.)


    No one used Nether Tentacles since the big early nerf that cut the number of times it hit each target from 2 to 1, but of course the "no Life Steal" RoS tweak brigade had to shank it as well.

    Rapid Fire: (DB)
    No change to base skill, and the other four rune effects are unchanged in function.

    • Bombardment: Rapidly fire grenades that explode for 745% weapon damage as Fire to all enemies within a 11 yard radius. (Formerly 414% damage and 8 yards.)


    That is a giant buff to Bombardment. Players seem to either love or hate the fire hose style of targeting, so those who like it should really like it now.

    Preparation: (DB)
    Instantly restore 30 Discipline. Cooldown: 45 seconds (Formerly restored all Discipline.)

    • Punishment: Restore 125 Hatred for 25 Discipline. (Formerly refilled all Hatred for 25 Discipline.)
    • Invigoration: Passive: Permanently increase maximum Discipline by 10. (Unclear from the DM; maybe this is a note by the devs to change this one rune effect to a passive?)


    Interesting change with no longer full Discipline refill. It's kind of a bargain for players who didn't have +max discipline gear on, since they won't notice much of a change. DHs with 50 or 60 discipline will find it painful, though.
    Impale: (DB)
    Throw a knife that impales an enemy for 360% weapon damage. (Formerly 265%.)
    Cost: 20 Hatred (Formerly 25.)
    • Ricochet: The knife ricochets to 2 nearby enemies within 20 yards of each other. (Formerly Awareness: After the initial throw, release multiple blades centered on you, dealing 75% weapon damage)


    The other rune effects are not changed.

    After the devs singled this one out for comment, as a nearly-useless single target skill, and a Hatred-costing skill that actually did less single target damage than the Hatred-building Hungering Arrow, I was expecting much more of a buff.
    Companion: (DB)

    Summon a raven companion that pecks at enemies for 100% of your weapon damage as Physical. (Formerly 38%.)
    Cost: 10 Discipline
    Cooldown: 30 seconds /

    • Boar Companion: Summon a boar companion that attacks for 60% of your weapon damage as Physical. The boar increases your Life regeneration by 826 per second and increases your resistance to all damage types by 15%. (Formerly 310 life regen/second.)
    • Wolf Companion: Summon a wolf companion that attacks for 150% of your weapon damage as Physical. (Formerly 94%.)

    I can't believe they didn't buff the Ferret gold find above the completely irrelevant 10%. How about like 250%, and it can stack above the 300% hardcap? That said, like everyone else my DH only uses Boar, and nearly doubling the life regen there will be great... though probably not enough to make up for the Life Steal nerfs on Gloom.

    Strafe: (DB)
    Shoot at random nearby enemies for 280% weapon damage while moving at 75% of normal movement speed. (Formerly 156%.)
    Cost: 12 Hatred

    • Demolition: Throw out bouncy grenades that explode for 240% weapon damage to enemies within 16 yards. (Formerly 187% and 9 yards.)
    • Emberstrafe: Leave a trail of fire in your wake that deals 160% weapon damage as Fire over 2 seconds. (Formerly 65%.)
    • Rocket Storm: In addition to regular firing, fire off homing rockets for 140% weapon damage as Fire. (Formerly 65%.)


    If you'd been hoping for a skill that just got big damage buffs across the board... here you go.


    Evasive Fire: (DB)
    Shoot a spread of bolts that hits the main enemy for 130% weapon damage. and two additional enemies for 60% weapon damage. If an enemy is in front of you at close range, you will backflip away 15 yards. You may backflip once per 3 seconds. (Formerly there was just one shot, and there was no cooldown on the backflip, but it cost 4 Discipline. There is no Discipline cost now.)
    Generate 4 Hatred.
    • Covering Fire: Increase the damage of side bolts to 130% weapon damage.
    • Parting Gift: Whenever a backflip is triggered, leave a poison bomb behind that explodes for 150% weapon damage as Poison in a 10 yard radius after 0.6 seconds. Evasive Fire's damage is turned into Poison. (Formerly 55% damage and 12 yard radius.)


    This is another skill changing fundamentally to what one of the runes used to do. The base skill is now roughly what Covering Fire used to do, just with reduced damage on the side shots and removed Discipline cost. The Covering Fire rune is now pretty lame with just a slight damage boost; I think that one needs to be a damage increase, or to hit up to 5 targets; something anyway.


    ____________________________New Demon Hunter Skill ____________________________


    Shadow Wall
    Summon a wall impassable by enemies between two pillars for 6 seconds. Enemies near the pillars are Slowed by 60%.
    Cooldown: 10 seconds /


    • Great Wall: Increase the maximum width of the wall by 50%.
    • Buffer Zone: Enemies between you and the wall are knocked back past the wall when you summon it.
    • Wall of Pain: Rather than an impassable wall, summon a shadow wall that Slows the movement speed of enemies by 60% and causes them to take 15% additional damage.
    • Electric Fence: Rather than an impassable wall, create an electric field that discharges 1 second after an enemy enters it, stunning all enemies near the field for 3 seconds.
    • Speed Gate: Gain 30% movement speed for 3 seconds when you pass through the wall.


    Presumably the Demon Hunter can shoot through this wall, so it's useful to block enemies while you blast them, or stick traps under their feet. They'll try to go around it, one assumes, and I like that the posts slow them down at the ends. Can the DH go through the wall? Could you cast it in front of you and then Vault or run through, leaving monsters behind?



    Conclusion

    Man, that's a lot of big skill changes for the Demon Hunter. Buffs to almost every damage skill, but offset by what seem like nerfs to defensive skills. No more perma-invul from Smoke Screen, no more huge Life Steal from Gloom, and no death-cheating passive for HC DH requests. I'd hoped for more big changes; some movement towards a melee variant option, some passives that seemed like play style changers, etc. And I don't see those. Nor do I see the sort of burst damage skills I'd been hoping for, since in my experience the DH can fly through trash mobs but has to kite and slow on bosses as no other class does.

    You guys are free to disagree on my DH opinions and what the class needs for improvement, of course.
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    Re: Big List of DH Datamined skills changed from RoS

    I agree with you basically 100%. And the life steal nerfs are completely terrible for all classes. Unless they are going to truly make Resists and AC matter, LS/LL is all we have. I am a primary DH and while I hate having to spam gloam [i only recently broke down and added to my set] its the only thing keeping me from looking like a complete noob on anything over MP5 when all hell is breaking loose. I don't mind kiting as it is basic videogame tactics but sometimes you gotta get in there. D3 AI is better than D2 AI and even if you keep your distance enemies will out of the mob after you. Final analysis/opinions will obviously have to wait until Paragon 2.0 bonuses are better explained as well as any new equipment being released. I think the "wall" could be interesting.

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    Re: Big List of DH Datamined skills changed from RoS

    Many of the defensive nerfs (including LS) do seem terrible when put in context of the current game. These nerfs may bring with them adjusted MP difficulties however. Also, as far as I know we still haven't seen an updated list of affixes (other than build changers), so who knows what defensive options we'll have or how the ranges changed for the current affixes.

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    Re: Big List of DH Datamined skills changed from RoS

    Yay for Strafe and rockets buff. Strafe will now be at 70% per arrow (280%/4 shots), comparable to Rapid Fire's 73%, making a genuine choice between my two favourite skills. My main DH will be happy with the boost to Ballistics, as I run Rapid Fire - Fire Support together with Sentry - Spitfire Turret and Ballistics. Rockets ftw.

    Boo for Shadow Power nerf. Also major boo for Preparation nerf. That completely destroys the perma-strafe build on my #2 DH. What on earth are they thinking? The DH needs buffed resource generation, not nerfed.

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    Re: Big List of DH Datamined skills changed from RoS

    Quote Originally Posted by HardRock View Post
    we still haven't seen an updated list of affixes (other than build changers), so who knows what defensive options we'll have or how the ranges changed for the current affixes.
    I think (hope) this is the key point, and it's what Blizzard risks by allowing this info to leak, and not making any effort to remove or correct it afterwards -- we get an inaccurate depiction of their plans since we only see part of what they're working on.

    For instance, I'm very curious what they're planning for box/xbow/pistol types. Archery is nerfed for bows and pistols, but not for xbows, and in a game where 97% of high end DHs use Manticore that makes no sense. Therefore they must be doing something to boost bow and pistol use in other ways; maybe just with new legendaries that'll compete with Manticore?
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    Re: Big List of DH Datamined skills changed from RoS

    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Maher View Post
    Boo for Shadow Power nerf. Also major boo for Preparation nerf. That completely destroys the perma-strafe build on my #2 DH. What on earth are they thinking? The DH needs buffed resource generation, not nerfed.
    There's a good chance we'll get a Legendary affix that will remove the Hatred cost of Strafe entirely. Of course that puts some limit on your gear, but on the other hand it potentially frees up a skill slot and those are much more precious in my opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flux View Post
    I think (hope) this is the key point, and it's what Blizzard risks by allowing this info to leak, and not making any effort to remove or correct it afterwards -- we get an inaccurate depiction of their plans since we only see part of what they're working on.
    This is definitely an issue. I've already seen many people treating this stuff as final or hand picking certain things, putting them in context of the current game and then complaining that it doesn't make any sense, won't change things at all, the changes plain suck, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flux View Post
    For instance, I'm very curious what they're planning for box/xbow/pistol types. Archery is nerfed for bows and pistols, but not for xbows, and in a game where 97% of high end DHs use Manticore that makes no sense. Therefore they must be doing something to boost bow and pistol use in other ways; maybe just with new legendaries that'll compete with Manticore?
    That's one possibility. I'm kinda hoping though that we'll get hard caps on certain stats like crit damage. This way the Archery passive would complement your build until you reach the cap from gear, but after that you would be free to switch to something more interesting than a simple damage boosting passive.

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    Re: Big List of DH Datamined skills changed from RoS

    It's possible that they're just adding some kind of per-attack, non-proc coefficient affix/bonus/etc. that would scale with attack speed.

    In that case, 15% damage or X% CC, plus whatever per-attack thing they add, may be too strong relative to just X% CD. Baseless speculation, but it's the only thing I can think of.

    Another thing is now that LS is apparently going six feet under, LoH becomes a more important way of sustaining oneself, and LoH scales better with faster weapons. I don't know if that'll matter in the grand scheme of things, but it might.

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    Re: Big List of DH Datamined skills changed from RoS

    I have to admit -being a hardcore dual handcrossbower- that most of these changes so far do not seem to improve my odds at aiming for higher MP's...

    As it is right now already 4 out of 6 actives and all 3 passives are specced defensively. And it's not like 1 additional Hatred regen is going to make me choose Archery when not even 5% more CHC makes me.

    I AM looking forward to the buffed strafe though. I really like the more movement based gameplay as opposed to Rapid Fire's relocating turret style, but right now it's just not an option in terms of damage. I mean: kill 1 or 2 monsters or melt the entire pack for the same Hatred cost.. yeah...

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    Re: Big List of DH Datamined skills changed from RoS

    Btw, smokescreen has had a 2 second cooldown since 1.0.3 I believe. They just never showed it on the skill.

    Strafe is looking very promising, especially with the legendary affix. Bombardment looks like its here to stay along with the help of grenadier. Spike trap that lures enemies looks very interesting.

    I have confidence that blizzard will tweak the damage and hp numbers of enemies so that the shadow power nerfs won't be bad at all.

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