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    Barbarian Reaper of Souls Datamined Skill Changes

    Digging through the hay stack of datamined skill strings, I wanted to sort them out and put them into order so as to better get a sense of what's changing. The DM print out lists a lot of skills that are only changed in wording, so I didn't include those here. Only skills that have changes in function.

    Welcome to the bold new world of Life from Fury Spent!

    Other classes:




    Standard disclaimer: all figures are from pre-beta Reaper of Souls and there will definitely be big changes between now and launch.


    Barbarian Passives:

    Ruthless: (DB)
    You deal 40% additional damage to enemies below 30% health.

    • (Old: Critical Hit Chance increased by 5%. Critical Hit Damage increased by 50%.)


    A big nerf. The new version might make for some interesting play dynamics, with monster hps dropping off a cliff once below 1/3. Wonder if it could be paired with some other new bonuses to do more damage to monsters that are above 40% or 50% hps?

    Weapons Master: (DB)
    Gain a bonus based on the weapon type of your main hand weapon:

    • Swords/Daggers: 8% increased damage. (Old 15%)
    • Maces/Axes: 5% Critical Hit Chance (Old 10%)
    • Polearms/Spears: 10% attack speed
    • Mighty Weapons: 3 Fury per hit


    More big nerfs. Bliz seems determined to lower critical hits from passives; perhaps since everyone will be adding 10% from paragon points?

    Bloodthirst: (DB)
    Each point of Fury spent heals you for 165 Life. Heal amount is increased by 1% of your Health Globe Healing Bonus.

    • Old: Gain 3% of all damage done as Life.


    The multiplier wording confused me, but as some commenters pointed out, Blizzard must mean the +health globe healing affix, which isn't generally valued, but is handy if you have it. It can spawn up to nearly +13k per affix, so 1% of that would be +100 or more per occurrence on Inferno quality gear.

    This is a massive change, taking away the Barb's free life steal passive. I guess it's fair, as every other class has to use active skills or their weapon to get LS, while Barbs got it free from a passive and can get it on mighty belts too. But still... ouch. (Other classes are all losing their life steal skills in RoS as well, but the Barb's were the best and will thus be missed the most keenly.)


    No Escape: (DB)
    Increase the damage of Weapon Throw and Ancient Spear by 20% against enemies more than 25 yards away from you.

    • (Old: Increases the damage of Ancient Spear and Weapon Throw by 10%. In addition, a Critical Hit with Ancient Spear resets the cooldown while Critical Hits with Weapon Throw have a chance to return 14 Fury.)


    Can anyone see this being enough to make these unloved skills and their passive viable? Neither Weapon Throw or Ancient Spear is scheduled for much of a buff, at least in the current stats.

    ____________________Three new Barb passives:______________________

    Rampage:
    • Increase Strength by 4% for 8 seconds after killing or assisting in killing an enemy. This effect stacks up to 5 times.


    Sword and Board

    • Blocking an attack generates 20 Fury.


    Absorb

    • Reduce all damage taken by 826.


    I assume the number on Absorb is temp or an error in the datamining. There has to be a % there, eh?


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    Barbarian Active Skills:
    Ones not listed aren't changed in the available pre-beta build:


    Bash: (DB)
    Generate: 8 Fury per attack. Brutally smash an enemy for 165% weapon damage. (Old: 20% chance to knockback was removed.)
    • None of the skill runes are changed in anything but wording; the numbers are all the same.



    War Cry: (DB)
    • Invigorate: Increase maximum Life by 10% and Life regeneration by 1651 per second while affected by War Cry. (Old regen was 620 life per second.)

    Seems like a pretty powerful boost to life. And you might need it with much of the formerly-easy life leech removed from the class.



    Ignore Pain: (DB) (Base function unchanged.)


    • Mob Rule: Allies within 50 yards also benefit from Ignore Pain. (Old: Extend the effect to nearby allies, reducing damage taken by 65% for 5 seconds.)
    • Bravado: Breaks the effects of Root, Stun, Fear, Immobilized, and Snare. (Old: When activated, Knockback all enemies within 12 yards deal 50% weapon damage to them.)
    • Ignorance is Bliss: While Ignore Pain is active, gain 289 Life per Fury spent. (Old: While Ignore Pain is active, gain 20% of all damage dealt as Life.)



    Lots of changes here, with a new way to break all CC effects, probably needed since perma-WotB is gone. Note another change from Life Steal to Life on Fury Spent as well.


    Ancient Spear: (DB)

    Throw a spear that pierces enemies and deals 200% weapon damage. Cost: 20 Fury:
    (Old: Throw a spear to pull an enemy back to you, briefly slowing the target's movement by 60% and dealing 185% weapon damage. Generate: 15 Fury. Cooldown: 10 seconds).
    • Harpoon: Add a chain to the spear to drag all enemies all back to you and Slow them.
    • Grappling Hooks: Throw 3 spears. Each spear will pull back the enemies that it hits.
    • Jagged Edge: Increase the damage to 260% weapon damage. (old: Dread Spear: Gain Life equal to 60% of the damage inflicted.) (Another Life Steal effect bites the dust.)
    • Ranseur: Enemies hit are carried by the spear and knocked back. (Old: Increases Fury gained to 30.)
    • Rage Flip: Add a chain to the spear to throw all enemies hit behind you and Slow them. (Old: Enemies hit with Ancient Spear are pulled in the opposite direction and damage is increased to 213% weapon damage.)


    Big changes here. The cooldown is gone and it now costs Fury instead of generating it, and it's just a projectile now; not a grapping hook at the base function. Some of the runes make it a hook, others just boost the damage.


    Furious Charge: (DB)
    Rush forward knocking back and dealing 195% weapon damage to enemies along your path. (No change but the wording.)
    Generate: 15 Fury -- Cooldown: 10 seconds.
    • Dreadnought: All enemies hit are pulled to your destination. (Old: Regain 8% of your maximum Life for each target hit by Furious Charge.)

    (No other rune effects are changed except in wording.)

    Nice function, but another big removed life steal/healing ability.

    Battle Rage: (DB)
    Enter a rage which increases your damage by 15% and Critical Hit Chance by 3% for 120 seconds. Cost: 20 Fury. (Unchanged.)
    • Into the Fray: Gain 1% Critical Hit Chance for each enemy within 10 yards while under the effects of Battle Rage. (Old: Critical Hits have a chance to generate 15 additional Fury.)


    And a huge nerf to Fury generation. The other rune effects are only slight wording changes.

    Wrath of the Berserker: (DB)
    Enter a berserker rage which raises several attributes for 15 seconds.
    Cost: 50 Fury. Cooldown: 2 Minutes. Critical Hit Chance: +10%. Attack Speed: +25%. Dodge Chance: +20% Movement Speed: +20% (All unchanged.)
    • Thrive on Chaos: Gain 248 Life per Fury spent while under the effects of Wrath of the Berserker (Old: Every 25 Fury gained while Wrath of the Berserker is active adds 1 second to the duration of the effect.)


    (The other rune effects are unchanged.)

    And the screams echo from Arreat Crater. No more extended time WotB! Not even a little bit. Not even capped at like 60s. Nothing. Just healing, and not even good Life Steal healing... no, it's more Life from Fury Spent...
    Weapon Throw: (DB)
    Hurl a throwing weapon at an enemy fordealing 130% weapon damage and Slowing movement speed by 60% for 2 seconds.

    Generate: 5 Fury per attack (Formerly this cost 10 Fury to use.)
    • Balanced Weapon: Increase Fury generated to 8.

    Balanced Weapon replaces Dread Bomb, which seems to be entirely removed. The other rune effects are unchanged.

    • Old -- Dread Bomb: Expend all remaining Fury to throw a corpse which inflicts an additional 3% weapon damage for each point of Fury expended to all enemies within 12 yards of the target.




    Rend: (DB)
    A sweeping strike causes all nearby enemiesenemies within 12 yards to Bleed for 700% weapon damage as Physical over 5 seconds.
    Cost: 20 Fury. (Unchanged.)
    • Blood Lust: Heal for 0.5% of your maximum Life per second for each affected enemy. (Old: Gain 9% of the damage done by Rend as Life.


    Another big Life Steal gone.


    Frenzy (DB)
    No function changes; just wording.



    Call of the Ancients: (DB)
    Cost: 50 Fury. Cooldown: 120 seconds
    Summon the ancient Barbarians Talic, Korlic, and Madawc to fight alongside you for (Old 15) 30 seconds. Each deals (Old 60%) 100% weapon damage per swing in addition to bonus abilities. Talic wields a sword and shield and uses the Whirlwind skill. Korlic wields a massive polearm and uses the Cleave skill. Madawc dual-wields axes and uses the Weapon Throw skill.
    • The Council Rises: The Ancients deal 110% (old 66%) weapon damage with each attack and gain 100% additional Armor.
    • Duty to the Clan: : Increase duration to 35 seconds. (Old was 20 seconds.)



    Korlic's Might
    , Madawc's Madness, and Talic's Anger are all "NYI" which means "Not Yet Implemented." So hope for cool changes/effects in the future. Blizzard has talked about this as a skill they want to buff to make it awesome, perhaps by some item proc that makes the ancients last indefinitely, until they are killed in combat or a giant pigeon lands on them.


    Seismic Slam: (DB)
    Slam the ground and cause a wave of destruction that deals 240% weapon damage and 8 yard Knockback to enemies in a 45 yard arc.
    Cost: 30 Fury. (Newly added the 8 yard part; no distance was specified before.)

    • Strength from the Earth: Gain 2% of your maximum Life for every enemy hit. (Old: Reduce Fury cost to 15 Fury.)




    Whirlwind: (DB)
    Deliver multiple attacks to everything in your path for 145% weapon damage. While whirlwinding, you move at 66% movement speed.
    Cost: 10 Fury (Newly added the 66% speed part, but that's just a change in the description, not the function.)
    • Hurricane: Pull enemies from up to 45 yards away towards you while Whirlwinding. (Old: Allows you to move at your movement speed while using Whirlwind.)


    No other rune effects changed. Not even Dust Devils. But the slowdown of Hurricane is another nerf to one of the things the Barb did best.

    Sprint: (DB)

    No changes at all.


    Revenge: (DB)

    No changes but to skill wording.


    Overpower: (DB)
    Cooldown: 12 seconds / Deal 165% weapon damage to all targets within 9 yards. Critical Hits have a chance to reduce the cooldown of Overpower by 1 second. (Only changed in wording.)
    • Revel: Increase damage to 215% weapon damage. (Old: Heal 8% of your maximum Life for every enemy hit.)
    • Crushing Advance: Redirect 35% of incoming melee damage back to the attacker for 4 seconds after Overpower is activated. (Old: worked against ranged damage also.)




    Conclusion:

    I've been making jokes about OPBs for months, but even I am surprised at the amount of nerfing here. A few minor skill buffs to unused skills, but huge nerfs to the 2 most popular (and wildly OP) passives, and big drops to Life Steal and healing all over the place. Those surprise me more: it was very obvious that Barbs were way OP on the ease with which they could get giant DPS, but I didn't think the healing was too OP, except that LS was so easy and with the huge DPS it was magnified. I'd think that just removing some of the big DPS would take care of the all-too-easy healing at the same time.

    That said, remember that we'll be able to add considerable bonuses to CD, CC, mainstat and much mroe via the Paragon 2.0 points, so some nerfs to all classes are probably needed to offset those big damage boosters.

    Source: Datamining.
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    Re: Barbarian RoS Datamined Skill Changes

    Kind of weird that now you can basically Weapon Throw as a generator/main attack for more damage than Cleave/Frenzy.

    The Barb ends up having a "free" ranged attack that is more powerful than most other "free" attacks this way. I don't know if this will lead people to use it, especially since Ricochet is kind of underwhelming, but it's such an un-Barb thing to emphasize, from a flavor perspective.

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    Re: Barbarian RoS Datamined Skill Changes

    I'm still happy with everything.
    A) things can/will change after update/xpac
    B) More variety in gear affixwise
    C) We get a mystic for extra gearstats
    D) It is impossible to turn the barb into a wimpclass

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    Re: Barbarian RoS Datamined Skill Changes

    With no info the Fray but with weapon throw, i see Throw barb with ancient spear or seismic as build base, that i look into.
    Bash is not nostalgic bash anymore.
    Looks promising to me.

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    Re: Barbarian Reaper of Souls Datamined Skill Changes

    Yay, they seem to be adding missing stuff to every tooltip like range! I'm a happy camper.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flux View Post
    I assume the number on Absorb is temp or an error in the datamining. There has to be a % there, eh?
    No % needed, just a higher value. I think absorb will be kinda like a permanent block, which also has a flat value. 826 damage reduction could be actually fairly significant in the current version of the game if you consider that shields block about 3k damage 30% of times on average. Of course in the expansion we'll probably have better shields, so Absorb's value does seem really low now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flux View Post
    Blizzard has talked about this as a skill they want to buff to make it awesome, perhaps by some item proc that makes the ancients last indefinitely, until they are killed in combat or a giant pigeon lands on them.
    There's an affix among the datamined stuff that will make the Ancients last until their HP is gone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flux View Post
    big drops to Life Steal and healing all over the place.
    Yeah, but LS is largely replaced by Life per Fury spent. Since Fury generation is also straightened up I think this time around resource management will be the key to survival. We'll see.

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    Re: Barbarian Reaper of Souls Datamined Skill Changes

    great they destroyed that build now didnt they :(

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    Re: Barbarian Reaper of Souls Datamined Skill Changes

    Strength from earth - thay adding leg that makes SS cost 15, so no big change here.
    Ancient Spear - will have to change it with Weapon throw, but fury gen is not big, maybe will put other skill.
    Into the Fray - ? Now every thing goes down. I was using Seismic Slam build centered at SS and spaming it all the time. This makes me to use WT to gen fury which is not exactly what I liked in it.
    Bash, SS, WT, Battle Rage (?), Smash, WotB - it looks like really weird build.

    I guess they mean 1% of your maximum hps
    It's clearly written "Health Globe Healing Bonus" - it's an affix Currently have 10k, so it gives me additional 100 life per fury.

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    Re: Barbarian Reaper of Souls Datamined Skill Changes

    Quote Originally Posted by mortuus View Post
    great they destroyed that build now didnt they :(
    I think that was their goal yeah, so mission accomplished.
    Barbarians all over the globe will now start to find a new best build upon skill finalization


    Think I'll keep my overpower/revel though...

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    Re: Barbarian Reaper of Souls Datamined Skill Changes

    I will start off by admiting that I have always loved to hate the op of the barbs previously, but still this does seem a bit harsh. Then again the infinite fury generation with fury on crit had to go with all this Life per Fury they have added. One thing though, have anyone compared this sort of life gain to the monks life per spirit? It seems somewhat... Odd that the barbs get this monk function and then just get it at 3 times the values, and fury also does seem easier to get than spirit. It just leads me to think that this function will see some major changes for the monks (major as in either basic function change or massive number boosts) to remain comparable.

    Also I'm looking forward to trying the pull function with WW, will probably make it much easier to clear things up quickly when you dont have to go to them but rather bring the monsters to you (That and a lot of fun to see them flying into your whirling blades of pure destruction)

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    Re: Barbarian Reaper of Souls Datamined Skill Changes

    Quote Originally Posted by Volapyk View Post
    Also I'm looking forward to trying the pull function with WW, will probably make it much easier to clear things up quickly when you dont have to go to them but rather bring the monsters to you (That and a lot of fun to see them flying into your whirling blades of pure destruction)
    That does seems like fun to me as well, especially if there is a vague huge hurricane visual showing the borders of the 45 yard radius! However, with all the furygain bonus gone it'll be hard to WW for a long time :/

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