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    IncGamers Member Goryani's Avatar
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    Re: You've corrupted me (and I think I like it)

    Singer is NOT a starting build. I've played gold horking singers in Hell before and, while safe, they can't kill anything in any reasonable amount of time unless you already have significant gear.

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    Re: You've corrupted me (and I think I like it)

    All you need is 2x spirit swords and insight on merc

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    Re: You've corrupted me (and I think I like it)

    Ya, pharphis is right.

    That was the first HC character I made. He's not the best at most things, but he can handle almost anything very safely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kestegs View Post
    Ya, pharphis is right.

    That was the first HC character I made. He's not the best at most things, but he can handle almost anything very safely.
    It was my second guardian and it was a tournament char. You can get 2x spirit + insight by the beginning of act 5 pretty easily, and 2x gull for kill switch if you're crazy enough to farm coldcrow.

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    Re: You've corrupted me (and I think I like it)

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    Aren't all of them HC players?
    Details.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goryani View Post
    Hypothetically... If I were to delve into HC, what would be a good character to start with?

    Sorcs are out. I kill them too easily while blind teleporting with 10fcr and no FHR in normal. Skelemancer is out because I used to make one at the start of each ladder and I want to do something different.
    If sorcs are out, and you want to do any decentish magic finding then yeah....singer is pretty much it.

    Although this is also assuming that the friendly HC community wouldn't help you out with a few wares (which we probably would, unless your going all self found).
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    Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day. Set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.

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    IncGamers Member Goryani's Avatar
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    Re: You've corrupted me (and I think I like it)

    Quote Originally Posted by pharphis View Post
    All you need is 2x spirit swords and insight on merc
    Maybe we have different definitions of reasonable amount of time. Or different targets in mind. I'd think a stun whack whack whack stun whack whack whack strategy would be faster than spamming war cry (using damage weapon(s) instead of spirit).

    Isn't that setup still dependent on the merc to kill efficiently in Hell? Finding an elite 4os polearm isn't guaranteed anytime soon. I don't have one for my SC characters yet.

    In my mind, I'm only "counting" on playing through Hell with an Insight made in a normal weapon. Any build I choose will have that limitation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pyrotechnician View Post
    If sorcs are out, and you want to do any decentish magic finding then yeah....singer is pretty much it.

    Although this is also assuming that the friendly HC community wouldn't help you out with a few wares (which we probably would, unless your going all self found).
    Sorcs are out. I WILL die. Repeatedly. Until and unless I learn a HC playstyle. That means no teleport. It also means self found until I know I can do it.

    I'm cool with a whites + runes route for my first character. Or goldfind + gamble. I need not MF for my first stab at an embarrassing death.

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    Re: You've corrupted me (and I think I like it)

    Quote Originally Posted by Goryani View Post
    Sorcs are out. I WILL die. Repeatedly. Until and unless I learn a HC playstyle. That means no teleport.
    I can understand this if you are used to teleporting in an attacking manner or as main way of moving.

    As a HC player for many years, > 90% of my teleports is to back off one or two screens (back to known and cleared territory) at a first sign of monsters. This is a 'spine reaction', I do not even have to think about it.

    I run/tiptoe into new areas, then teleport back to bring a few monsters at a time to me. The only time I will teleport into unknown territory is if I get into a stairs trap fight I think I can't win there by the entrance.

    There is also the small-scale teleports, for micro-managing in fights and place the merc somewhere I want them.


    I have never bothered with any FCR with my Sorcs (then again, haven't played any with a main skill that has no casting delay).

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    Re: You've corrupted me (and I think I like it)

    My teleports are in the other direction. Other than an occasional teleport to reposition Emilio, my teleports are made blindly into unexplored areas full of monsters waiting to kill me.

    Another reason for no sorcs as a first character is Duriel. Normal Duriel. I'm not sure I've ever beaten normal Duriel with an untwinked sorc without death.

    I'm more likely to stay at 1hp from poison and see how far I can make it without dying than use a potion. It's just my playstyle I've perfected over many years and I need to break it.



    I have a HC assassin up to Inner Cloister and an amazon that just rescued Cain. Baby steps.

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    Re: You've corrupted me (and I think I like it)

    Normal bosses are pretty easy due to static. Your Merc should be able to tank for long enough to static him down pretty low.

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    Re: You've corrupted me (and I think I like it)

    Scratch the amazon. Death by Pitspawn Fouldog. His damage outraced my potions.

    Quote Originally Posted by kestegs View Post
    Normal bosses are pretty easy due to static. Your Merc should be able to tank for long enough to static him down pretty low.
    Me and my merc usually get 1-2 shotted. If Duriel is at half hp (via static) on the first death I consider it to be a good run.

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