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    The Diablo.Incgamers SFHCL (Self Found Hardcore League)/Ironborns unite!

    Allright, here's the deal!

    Me and some of the great people of this forum have decided to give the notion of playing the self found, hardcore route... as good ol' Fluxster would call it, IRONBORN! Me? I want to think of it as the SFHCL!

    Basically, it's a group of players which (mostly) know and trust eachother and are focused on playing the game in a HC perspective from a different angle, the one where there is NO AH, and the only way to get better items is actually finding/crafting/vendoring them, and sharing them with the group!

    I will be copying some info from the battle.net thread on the topic, since I follow the same principles and rules, and since it's been a long day and I don't feel like typing it all myslef, deal with it


    Reasons for an HCSF Co-operative (or league)

    (1) Playing self-found can be difficult & slow to progress if you play solo all the way through
    (2) Playing self-found can be very isolating -- you will typically have gimped DPS/EHP playing this way in comparison to others and may not be welcomed in public games even if you wanted to join a group as you may be seen as leeching off of that group
    (3) Kinship -- playing self-found as a group (or group-found) allows for a deeper kinship to build over time as you share more items that you craft, purchase via vendor, inherit from other HCSFers, or looted with other team-mates. As much as you receive from others, you will also be contributing to other people's gearing which helps build greater camaraderie
    (4) At any given time, there are new HCSFers leveling up -- gives you an opportunity level up a new HC toon yourself with them AND/OR to help them up along the way


    Principles of HC Self-Found Co-op (as far as I see it):

    (1) No Auction House use of any kind (direct or indirect) -- this would include any items inherited from friends that have passed through AH (hard to enforce, but try to stick to this). Ideally, I don't want any item being used to be tainted by going through the AH.
    (2) Crafting, purchasing from vendors, looting, and inherited from fellow HCSFers are all fair-game. Use to your heart's content!
    (3) Share, share, share! The idea here is that value of any loot is salvaging materials or utility for other people. AH pricing has no bearing in here (as we are effectively pretending that it does not exist), and so neither does trading/bartering (no matter how amazing the item you have found). There is no place for greed in here!
    (4) I fully acknowledge that there is no way to govern or keep people accountable to these ideals. I am not going to be a stickler about this, but I am hoping that this will draw out like-minded people who are committed to this style of play.

    The very first chars who started the participation in this league started tonight, we begun as a party of 4, and had a blast! It was me, Clayton, Stupified and another friends of Stupified off the forum... we cleared act 1 and had tons of fun in the group! Sharing blues, me finding a legendary at level 13 (se no evil! Woot!) and just having a laugh and a great experience!

    Will be adding a table here after a while, or we could always use Diablo3Ladders' system, whatever you guys deem most convenient.

    The list right now, consists of me: Vegameister#2492. Feel free to add yourselves to the list here, and add eachother on bnet. I mark those who play chars which are a part of the SFHCL as just that in the notes on my friends list, so that I am sure I am not mixing any AH tainted chars and items!

    Would be great to have you join in! Now it's time for bed!

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    Re: The Diablo.Incgamers SFHCL (Self Found Hardcore League)/Ironborns unite!

    Dominus#2940 here. Had a blast! And i must say it brings back the feeling of hardcore all over again Exploring, achieving and progressing becomes few and far between with my non-hcsf character, so it's a nice change. Heh, I kinda regret my name though - now im stuck with Strongbad, the demonhunter.

    Ofcource, no-one can prove their selffoundedness, so you have to suck to join, just to be sure j/k

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    Re: The Diablo.Incgamers SFHCL (Self Found Hardcore League)/Ironborns unite!

    slyraje#1403

    Looking forward to having a group to do this with.

    What class is everyone playing?

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    Re: The Diablo.Incgamers SFHCL (Self Found Hardcore League)/Ironborns unite!

    My problem with something like this is that I just don't have a spare character slot right now. I am eventually going to get around to doing something like this somehow tho I really like the idea.
    Eschew obfuscation!

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    Re: The Diablo.Incgamers SFHCL (Self Found Hardcore League)/Ironborns unite!

    Me (Tougeznut#1970) and Katniss (Leviathan#1356) have been doing the self-found HC thing for a little while. I love it, and would love to join this league! I haven't had much time to play recently (had a house built and just finished moving out of the old place...), but have a lot more free time now.

    I've been working on a wizard for 6 attempts now, and have high hopes of actually making it to inferno with this one :-).

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    Re: The Diablo.Incgamers SFHCL (Self Found Hardcore League)/Ironborns unite!

    Quote Originally Posted by tougeznut View Post
    Me (Tougeznut#1970) and Katniss (Leviathan#1356) have been doing the self-found HC thing for a little while. I love it, and would love to join this league! I haven't had much time to play recently (had a house built and just finished moving out of the old place...), but have a lot more free time now.

    I've been working on a wizard for 6 attempts now, and have high hopes of actually making it to inferno with this one :-).

    sent from my GalaxySIII
    Katniss here!

    Toug speaks the truth and I actually just started a lovely SF HC Barb on EU (after getting my SC DH up to level 10, heh). Feels awesome to see so many achievements popping up again. Anyway, I'm doing it on MP10 until I'm on at the same time as some other people to play with, so I'm currently level 11 and just checkpointed Cathedral 4. Off to bed now!

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    Re: The Diablo.Incgamers SFHCL (Self Found Hardcore League)/Ironborns unite!

    ClaytonH here. Or Jotunn#2915 as the battle tag goes. No clue how you guys linked your battle tags the way you did so I'm just gonna leave this here: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/J.../hero/29775815 I used my last available slot to start a WD (even though I already have a level 41 WD, but he has the taaaaaint of the AH!)

    I left a good group of guys farming mp6 with my barb last night to come and join this initiative after getting a friendly invite from Vega, and so my new WD pal, DonBeUsinAH, was born. It feels good, like when I first started HC and had no money, no items, no nothing. I'm keeping track of all gold made with this hero, and have set aside a stash tab purely for the SFHCL. Currently sitting at a massive 2400 gold after doing some crafts (16 vit, +4 exp pants, woot!) and purchasing a couple of rings.

    I will still play my barbarian, and have no illusions of transforming my entire account into self found only. I have no problem with the AH, and I like being able to source new items for my barb regardless of where they come from, in order to make him more powerful to handle higher mp levels, gt more xp, and hope for better drops. This being said, I am thoroughly enjoying the SFHC play style, and I like the camaraderie and friendly atmosphere that comes with it.

    Vega, Dominus, it was great playing with you guys last night. Not only do I believe I can trust you to stay true to the fundaments of this league, but playing with you is fun because you are quintessentially nice people. Will other people cheat? Can the AH be just too tempting to get say, just a new weapon, or just a quick socketed helm? As I said to Vega before we started, there may be no way to manage other people and ensure they are sticking to the rules, but I believe it comes down to your own morals and honour.

    Let's say for instance that I feel like my dps is just a little low and I'm having a tough time killing mobs, and getting a little bored rerunning an area to progress. I could just grab a new sword off the AH and make my life so much easier. Nobody would know. But once I have that sword and I'm plowing through the mobs, I will feel guilty as all hell knowing that I didn't earn that sword, and in doing that I am diminishing the efforts of every other member who has stayed true to the play style and played until they could beat that area on their own steam. What is better? To finish a race third and know that every ounce of effort you put in was your best, or to win a race easily knowing that you cheated and don't deserve the win? It is essentially the same.

    The good part about having a league like this, is knowing that help is just a pm away. The other players will become your "AH", only more of a non-profit organisation style AH as long as you are also willing to help others as you have been helped.

    Here's to Vega for getting this going I look forward to playing with anyone who is keen to join.

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    Re: The Diablo.Incgamers SFHCL (Self Found Hardcore League)/Ironborns unite!

    Count me in! Moichi#2430
    Looking forward to this, and finally gives me a reason to clear out one stash tab

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    Re: The Diablo.Incgamers SFHCL (Self Found Hardcore League)/Ironborns unite!

    Great that you got this going Vega!

    Currently levelling a barb, but much like tougeznut, i have been making several attempts at a wizard.
    My SC wiz is P100 and i would love to at least get a HC wiz to 60.

    As i told Vega in a pm, i have difficulties in devoting myself to a set period of time for multi. Kids and other stuff is grabbing so much attention so my D3 play time is very much "a little here, a little there". Thus i don't want to be a burden for other players when doing multi, i don't want to be that player who hops on and off.

    Also, i put very strict rules for myself when levelling to 60. No AH is given, but also no help from others.
    I like the challenge of soloing.

    However, i would like to be included in this league. I would like to farm p-levels in groups when it is possible time-wise.
    Also, when i level a new HC char, i find lots of stuff that other players could use.
    I don't give them to my other chars (cause that's "cheating" for me) but if someone else wants it then all the better.

    So, if you don't mind, i could post findings here that i believe could be useful for other classes and if someone wants it, well, just give me a shout.

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    Re: The Diablo.Incgamers SFHCL (Self Found Hardcore League)/Ironborns unite!

    Glad to see so many positive and enthusiatic responses! The more members taking part, the merrier and more trading/gaming together we will be able to make, thus resulting in higher level characters and higher level gear after a while!

    Will first respond here by saying that I have created a ladder for the league on D3L, and you need to apply to it with your bnet account right here: http://www.diablo3ladders.com/ladder...sfhcl#hardcore

    Once I have accepted you into the ladder, it will automatically add ALL your characters on that account, so make sure to respond here on the characters that are actually SFHCL participants, so that I know to remove the others!

    If and when we see that D3L works or not, we will either add more moderators to the ladder to help (or eventually have an american ladder as well if needed), or if it doesnt work (I know sometime it takes a few hours to update) for any reason, we can always create a table here in the thread.

    Edit: now that that's posted, I can reply a bit to the individual posts here.

    Stupified (or just Dom for me, hehe)- you are right that this works on the honor system, and we will simply have to trust eachother. At the same time, if anyone sees something suspicious, there's no shame in asking about the origins of items or huge stats that show up in a game. I did just that yesterday with a friend of yours after you went AFK, who joined with a monk having 2.5K life at level 13. I asked him if he was indeed 100% SF, and he left. Not to be an @ss or anything, but lets all do our best to keep this SELF FOUND and AH FREE!

    slyraje, tagged you as a SFHCL player on my list, and would love to team up, anytime you see me online My chars are in my signature here, always updated!

    Zappa, appreciate your support, and truly hope you join our ranks one day. God knows if there's any SF barb that could dominate this league, it would be yours

    tougeznut, I have added both you and katniss to my friends list, please add yourselves to the ladder at the link I have put up there in this post.
    God knows I am hoping to make it to 60 with this wizard as well, and I know it won't be easy, so as I always say, two wizards are better than one! or something like that What sort of build are you going for? Meteors?

    Katniss, as I said earlier, added you on my friends list, and my level 15 wiz would love to team up with your barb! A meatshield is always nice to have around!

    Clay, I really appreciate that well thought and written post, bro! That is exactly the spirit we need to base ourselves upon while playing in this league, and I am sure that with more like minded people, we will create a great niche' of playing here, and have tons of fun!

    The feeling regarding your great personality is mutual, thank you! Can't wait to team up with your WD again!

    Moichi, sent you a friend request on bnet! Glad to have you along! Add yourself to the ladder please!

    InteNuIgen, first off, I appreciate your honesty and even more so inspiration in helping me create this! You have played SF since the start and with even stricter rules than most who play SF, so I really look up to you and your way of playing D3

    As for your concerns, I too, am going to be playing lots of solo, since I really don't want to fall into a "WoW raid complex" where I have to plan to meet with a bunch of guys at X o'clock and play for Y hours. That would suck the entire fun out of it, especially with me playing at very unpredictable times and schedules, so I am definitely with you on that one. Play solo when you wish, and team up when you wish and have the opportunity.. this is NOT a MUST MULTIPLAYER case!

    I understand and respect your reasons for wanting to level all chars to 60 yourself, and hope to meet you for some paragon farming when more of us are up there!
    Please feel free to share some SF riches with the group, I am sure it will be greatly appreciated!


    TL,DR: Join the D3L ladder, add eachother as friends on bnet, set a note as SFHCL player, and have fun!
    Last edited by Lord_Vega; 30-07-2013 at 13:38.

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