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    Re: Vampire Gaze or Crown of Thieves for Merc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Archone View Post
    Andariels visage is a whole different story. (str/ias/defense)
    They have a lvlreq of 83 so its for high end characters, in later hell.

    Iirc, CoT and Gaze has a lvlreq of 42ish. And drops in Nightmare.
    so are you saying that the Andariels is a much better choice than the Vamp gaze?

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    Re: Vampire Gaze or Crown of Thieves for Merc?

    Quote Originally Posted by danpal View Post
    so are you saying that the Andariels is a much better choice than the Vamp gaze?
    That depends very much on what you'll be doing with the character. I never (in Hell P8, Chaos and WSK etc) have to rely on my merc for damage, so I just tank him up instead, in which case VG is better. One of my merc fortitudes is in a SA, so potentially (on lower level characters) I might use AV for that.

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    Re: Vampire Gaze or Crown of Thieves for Merc?

    Yeah, hear Kitteh out.


    I usually build my mercs as tanks. But the "main" character of the ladder, for me, usually ends up with pretty expensive gear. SO I end up, at some point, building his/her merc for dmg aswell.

    Its a transition I make when the character feels overpowered in full games.

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    Re: Vampire Gaze or Crown of Thieves for Merc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Archone View Post
    Yeah, hear Kitteh out.


    I usually build my mercs as tanks. But the "main" character of the ladder, for me, usually ends up with pretty expensive gear. SO I end up, at some point, building his/her merc for dmg aswell.

    Its a transition I make when the character feels overpowered in full games.
    I have trouble in Baal runs with the hammer immune guys, so I need my merc to dish out some damage and survive, I have a Crown of Thieves on him now but guess I should change. what would be the ideal merc setup for me with this situation? is meditation really that important to have?

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    Re: Vampire Gaze or Crown of Thieves for Merc?

    Lifesteal wont work against the second wave in Baal runs.

    Give him a big stick, and rely on Cleansing Aura and/or Concentration Aura.
    Also, Holy Bolt is your best friend against magic immune undead!

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    Re: Vampire Gaze or Crown of Thieves for Merc?

    Carry a bonehew in your cube, CE charges

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    Re: Vampire Gaze or Crown of Thieves for Merc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kitteh View Post
    Carry a bonehew in your cube, CE charges
    Hahahah! Thats a little over the edge isnt it?

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    Re: Vampire Gaze or Crown of Thieves for Merc?

    Vg is good. dr, mdr, ll. defense is not imho so important. but i think that ll is more important than others for mercs, so...It depends on dmg (with more dmg is little bit less important ll number). depends on your char and playing style. a2 merc has poor fhr so without hugh life, fhr he can't tank well even with some dr or mdr. e.g. i had one merc with cot with 11% ll. but: it was baba merc and my char was smealot with fanatismus. so aura gave him ias, ar and some dmg. weapon was very nice cruel highland blade with 2x amn. so total ll had 25%! with his hugh dmg and 25% ll was unbeatable and was able to tank two ancients. i have nice memories for this merc but it was baba not pala...i think practise beats theory. try both and choice better depends also on armor, there are a lot of better choices and armor is more important than helm. with good armor u can use both. and hf merc is not good, after some patch slowing efect of hf is not so excelent. best tank is defense merc i think...

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    Re: Vampire Gaze or Crown of Thieves for Merc?

    I carry a necro in my cube for higher lvl CE and no need to repair. I just give him cookies on occasion.

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    Re: Vampire Gaze or Crown of Thieves for Merc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Archone View Post
    Hahahah! Thats a little over the edge isnt it?
    I've never done it myself, but there are ancient whispers within the SPF that past heroes have lumbered themselves with such an other wise awful weapon^^

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