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    Question about Pre/Suffix Generation for Rare Items

    Higher Ilvl enables you get higher level prefixes and suffixes on rare/magic items. Does a higher ilvl also rule out the lower level pre/suffixes?

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    Re: Question about Pre/Suffix Generation for Rare Items

    No, obviously not!
    The only thing high ilvl rules out ( usually ) is the chance for low level staffmods. For example it is very hard to find a druid helm with +oaksage because the ilvl range requirements means that it can only drop in certain areas of A5 normal ( iirc ).

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    Re: Question about Pre/Suffix Generation for Rare Items

    Ok, that's kind of what I figured. That's how it functioned in D1, but I didn't know if maybe the range was just really wide.

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    Re: Question about Pre/Suffix Generation for Rare Items

    That is an important thing to know, when you're crafting or similar, and looking for affixes with a certain alvl. You need to use items with an ilvl as low as possible (while still being able to generate affixes with the required alvl ofc) to narrow the range of spawnable affixes, and thereby increase the odds of the desired ones appearing.
    If there were a capoff for low-level affixes being able to spawn on high ilvl items, you would see more godly crafted items, and most players would be interested in crafting. As it is, crafting requires substantial wealth (on a large scale anyways) and in many cases several characters some of which gamble base-items, some collect gambling gold, some craft and yet others collect wealt to buy crafting materials. All in all a practise for the few and determined players.

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    Re: Question about Pre/Suffix Generation for Rare Items

    Oobedoob scooby dooby benubi?

    I suppose it really stinks going for those high ilvl crafts like amulets.

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    Re: Question about Pre/Suffix Generation for Rare Items

    Quote Originally Posted by Clervis View Post
    Oobedoob scooby dooby benubi?

    I suppose it really stinks going for those high ilvl crafts like amulets.
    Very true - requires loads of patience and loads of materials before you wind up with something godly. Which is why those items are so expensive. And yeah - it's the crybaby allright

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    Re: Question about Pre/Suffix Generation for Rare Items

    Here's a complicated question. Say I want to get a Small Charm with any two cold damage mods. What would be the ideal ilvl to reroll or farm these suckers?
    Snowy +1-2 Minimum and +2-4 Maximum Cold Damage - 1 Second Duration [COLOR=#4850B8]Small Charms[/COLOR](27)
    Shivering +3-4 Minimum and +5-8 Maximum Cold Damage - 1 Second Duration [COLOR=#4850B8]Small Charms[/COLOR](42)
    Boreal +5-7 Minimum and +9-14 Maximum Cold Damage - 1 Second Duration [COLOR=#4850B8]Small Charms[/COLOR](66)
    Hibernal +8-10 Minimum and +15-20 Maximum Cold Damage - 1 Second Duration [COLOR=#4850B8]Small Charms[/COLOR](91)
    Frost +1 Minimum and +2 Maximum Cold Damage - 1 Second Duration [COLOR=#4850B8]Small Charms[/COLOR](14)
    Icicle +2 Minimum and +3-4 Maximum Cold Damage - 1 Second Duration [COLOR=#4850B8]Small Charms[/COLOR](21)
    Glacier +3 Minimum and +5-6 Maximum Cold Damage - 1 Second Duration [COLOR=#4850B8]Small Charms[/COLOR](33)
    Winter +4-5 Minimum and +7-9 Maximum Cold Damage - 1 Second Duration [COLOR=#4850B8]Small Charms[/COLOR](46)


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    Re: Question about Pre/Suffix Generation for Rare Items

    without doing the exact math, iŽd say farm a lvl 46 sc for rerolling. it would allow 8 combinations for pre and suffix while also disallowing a lot of high lvl affixes.

    however this is a optimization question that would require actually calculating at which point the added possibility of another pre or suffix is outweighted or outweighs the other possible affixes

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    Re: Question about Pre/Suffix Generation for Rare Items

    The major problem here, is that the prefixes have an incredibly high alvl (27, 42, 66, 91) while the suffixes have a relative low alvl (14, 21, 33, 46). So like Krupa specifies looking at the first 2 prefixes only with seriously increase the spawning chances.
    For an ilvl 95 SC (which is what is required to spawn all 8 affixes), the chance of spawning an SC with both a cold-prefix and cold-suffix is 25:33396 (source german affix calculator). The chance of rolling a Hibernal SC of Winter from an ilvl 95 SC is correspondingly 1 in 33396. So you may have your work cut out for you here .
    On another note: hunting for a specific ilvl can be tricky. There is no way of telling the ilvl of an item, so you will have to rely on area-levels and watch the monster that drops it, to know exactly what ilvl your charm has.

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    Re: Question about Pre/Suffix Generation for Rare Items

    Alright. I hunkered down and did the math. Thanks for the reference Loke Groundrunner.
    ilvl 95 (alvl 91): 25:33396 (0.0748592%)
    ilvl 80 (alvl 66): 1:1417 (0.0705716%)
    ilvl 60 (alvl 46): 5:7316 (0.0683433%)
    ilvl 56 (alvl 42): 1:1705 (0.058651%)
    ilvl 47 (alvl 33): 2:3431 (0.058292%)
    ilvl 41 (alvl 27): 3:5120 (0.0585937%)

    So it looks like it's pretty much the higher the better, but the rub is, as Krupa said, the chance of other affixes outweighing the need to reroll.

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