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    Re: Religion being taught in schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by LozHinge the Unhinged View Post
    What I object to is the introduction of magical fairies into the explanation of how the universe works now. Observation shows speciation in action, evolution is entirely self-consistent with strong circumstantial evidence which does not require us to pull in an unprovable agency for explanations. Simple organisms into complex organisms into specialised organisms, all logically explained.
    Thing is, despite the silly bit about "it's only a theory", Orthodox Darwinian claims are what is taught in school. Even notables like Stephen Jay Gould (my favorite) were enraged at the way invalid pseudo-religious doctrine is enshrined by the lazy intellect of the elites. They're no more correct than those claiming that ID supports the "Young Earth" concept, which is often seen with that old atheist favorite where God supposedly planted the dinosaur bones to test the faithful.

    Bottom line is that science ought to be science, taught with rigor - and all opinion and theory ought to be provided with plenty of alternative interpretation or evidence supporting the contrary. Otherwise you get group-think leading to indoctrination, such as what we now have with anthropogenic global warming.

    Schools are supposed to exist to teach children how to think, but the majority of educators seem to think their job is to indoctrinate children on what to think. I looked at my son's 4th grade "science" book, and it was a wad of Earth First "Gaia" propaganda and flaccid social studies essays.

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    Re: Religion being taught in schools?

    If it's not compulsory it shouldn't be a problem. I think over here it's taught as part of English Lit which is probably more appropriate nowadays.
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    Re: Religion being taught in schools?

    Sorry if I'm deviating too much back toward the topic of the thread.

    I don't really like a religion class being taught in a public school, but it isn't required, so I guess I wouldn't fight to be rid of it. I don't have a problem with clubs that are related to religion, there's no reason to exclude them when there are clubs for so many other things.

    As for reading it as literature I don't really see the attraction, but then I'd rather read non-fiction from more reliable sources than read fiction written by "God" ok did I get back to the topic the thread has turned to with that last bit?

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    Re: Religion being taught in schools?

    Teaching schoolchildren how to think instead of what to think ... nah, never going to happen.

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    Re: Religion being taught in schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by LozHinge the Unhinged View Post
    Teaching schoolchildren how to think instead of what to think ... nah, never going to happen.
    Sure it does. Most of my elementary education was of this variety; it was by and large of the "private" school variety.

    Of course, I'd hate to think what all that schooling would cost in modern times. It's why home schooling has taken off so.

    Except for Germans seeking asylum because they're under criminal conviction for wanting home schooling, of course.

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    Re: Religion being taught in schools?

    For me, in Finland, from 1st to the 9th grades, all kids are teached religion (or ethics) that their parents pick for them.
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    From 7th grade onwards, it was alot more like "inspecting the religions of different cultures" rather than reading a retarded version of a kids fantasy book. (ACTUALLY SCIENTIFIC )

    In High Schools / Grammar Schools you pick religion or ethics yourself.
    (Actually, I had to deal with a real nutty hardcore-christian teacher while on second grade )

    Now, I would absolutely WANT for religion being taught in schools, HOWEVER, all different religions should be teached and viewed equally in the classroom and be looked from a philosophical point of view.

    Leave it for the kids to pick if they want to believe something or not. Just make sure they know everything about 'em, but dont leave them hanging without any information about religions. This helps them understand the religious.

    There is a real difference with teaching things about different religions and a single religion being pushed down your throat.

    Quote Originally Posted by LozHinge the Unhinged View Post
    Teaching schoolchildren how to think instead of what to think ... nah, never going to happen.
    This, this and this.


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    Re: Religion being taught in schools?

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    They're no more correct than those claiming that ID supports the "Young Earth" concept, which is often seen with that old atheist favorite where God supposedly planted the dinosaur bones to test the faithful.
    Pfft. Yeah, like God would actually do that.

    On the seventh day, God rested, ate some fried dinosaur, and tossed the bones over his shoulder. That's where they REALLY came from. God's lunchbox.

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    Re: Religion being taught in schools?

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    Pfft. Yeah, like God would actually do that.

    On the seventh day, God rested, ate some fried dinosaur, and tossed the bones over his shoulder. That's where they REALLY came from. God's lunchbox.
    I disagree, I maintain that they gradually fell out of his beard over a 200 million year period

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    Re: Religion being taught in schools?

    I went through the Catholic school system in the post Vatican 2 era, but with many pre Vatican 2 ideologies, and learned very quickly to keep my mouth shut. I was given detention twice for asking curly questions in religion class. I cannot remember why I got detention the first time, I was in Grade 1. In Grade 4 I was given a week's detention for asking the priest, the religion teacher, this question "if Adam and Eve had only two children, Cain and Able, why are there people now?". After being yelled at for five minutes I learned the best lesson religion ever taught me: shut up, smile, nod and follow like a good robot. My wife went to a Catholic high school, and during a religion class the nuns tried to cover sex education, a laugh in itself, but to illustrate how naughty men are, and how hip the nuns were, they played the Meatloaf song "paradise my the dashboard light." For those who don't know the song it is about a woman neatly wrapping a man around her finger by going to third base with him and saying if you want to go any further, marry me. Great song and a equally great complete misunderstanding of the lyrics by the nuns.

    After those anecdotes, back on topic. My elder daughter when to a public school and there was little or no religious education. My younger daughter went to a non-denominational private school and the religious education was a more general education of different religions and personal morals/ethics, but they did go to church twice a semester. I think that I would have preferred my elder daughter to have done something more akin to what my younger daughter did. I believe that ones personal beliefs are exactly that, personal. Teaching basic morals and ethics to children is essential, not just at school either, and let the child grow and develop their own personal philosophy. If, in time, it aligns with one of the many religions available they can happily join with like minded people. If not, so be it. It does not make them a lesser person, just different.

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    Re: Religion being taught in schools?

    I think the biggest problem in schools in Belgium is this:

    You go to a Catholic school and get taught:
    1) religion, God (God created everthing)
    2) biology, evolution (God doesn't exist)
    3) physics, big bang theory (God doesn't exist)

    It's rather confusing for children to attend 1 hour of physics, then 1 hour of religion, and then 1 hour of biology in this sense.



    It gets even worse when you leave high school and go to college.

    There you get taught the same courses, but now this happens:
    1) physics, God started the big bang
    2) religion, big bang and evolution don't exist
    3) biology, God is controlling evolution

    In the end, it all boils down to school policy and the personal opinion of the teacher, as to what you get taught.

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