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    Re: Help! I have tephephobia--the fear of being buried alive!

    Quote Originally Posted by Orba View Post
    Also, I must respectfully disagree with you that as long as I am not personally affected, I shouldn't let it bother me. The way I see it, if this insanely cruel fate of premature burial has any chance of happening to another human, I regard it as my moral duty to try and prevent it. This is because I love human beings, each and every one of them. It literally breaks my heart to imagine this kind of thing happening to even just one of them. This is the reason behind why I want to change existing laws in British Columbia as to make embalming legally required. I want to prevent premature burial from happening to not just myself, but other people too.

    Also, could you elaborate on how you read about this in the newspaper on a daily basis? Does this mean premature burial happens very often? God, this is too awful.
    If you can activally prevent it, and possibly influence the law itself, you have my blessing.

    Out of curiosity, of all the problems in this world, why are you feeling so strongly about this? There's war / famine / rape / murder / theft / random acts of violence / etc..., and you choose to fight being buried alive?

    Perhaps reading on a daily basis that there is a war going on in some part of the world, parents abuse their own children, people kidnap eachother, humans get murdered for a penny and a cigarette, etc... has made me somewhat insensitive to virtually all of these issues.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm capable of great caring and understanding, and will be the first to jump if somebody needs my help, but I can't seem to care anymore about distant problems related to people I'll never see.

    I'd rather take care of a good friend when he/she is ill, lend some money or offer a listening ear etc... than to donate 5 euros to people who ring at my door for cancer/war/... (who keep showing up 2-3 times per day here)

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    I'm really warming up to this Orba Character. He/she/it has started some intriguing threads.

    I think Damnmaster is right, we're just going to have to help them face their fears. We're going to have to bury Orba alive in a controlled environment. Repeatedly. Until they realize that there's nothing to fear, except being buried alive--which sounds awful.
    Well actually, if it's a phobia, you have to do something about it to cure yourself (medicine/psycho talk/facing fear), but you don't need to actually be buried to face that fear, just cut the fear of buried alive into its different aspects (darkness / small room / alone) and work your way up to facing those things seperatelly up to the point where you no longer worry about tephephobia.

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    Re: Help! I have tephephobia--the fear of being buried alive!

    Quote Originally Posted by Orba View Post
    I apologize but I don't quite understand what you meant by "moral crusade", and how it would feed the fear. The way I see it, premature burial has an existing chance of happening to my fellow citizens, as such, I regard it as my moral duty to try and prevent. And making embalming legally required seems to do the trick.
    Moral crusades often do far more harm than good, under the guise of good. You basically want police to kick in the doors of mourning families, grab their dead loved one, and do things to the body the family and deceased person oppose. Even though I'm naturalist, I of course want religious cultures to perform whatever burial practices they want...even at the risk of things going wrong.

    There isn't much air in a coffin. At worst, the buried would suffer just minutes of panic and discomfort. As with gun laws, abortion laws, and so many others, people will break them. People will also go to jail and get career-wrecking criminal records over victimless "crimes".

    Your idea would force religious families to euthanize their sick loved ones (maybe with years of life left in them) and have secret funerals to avoid the brave heroes marching in and forcing an embalming. Millions would avoid hospitals b/c there is no escaping that system...and they would die with decades of potential life left to go.

    Might I suggest your blog (after you deal with the phobia) offer voluntary solutions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Orba View Post
    It's like I said, doctors CAN make mistakes in mispronouncing someone dead. And when that inevitably happens, the only thing that stands between being buried/cremated alive and the person, is embalming.
    You want people embalmed alive then?

    You can't think of any other ways to ensure someone is dead? There is a Spike TV show about this...

    Quote Originally Posted by Orba View Post
    Also, my fear of taphephobia isn't irrational, imho. It has a very real, definite chance of happening. And given the vast population of North America, it is bound to happen to a few people, regardless of how low the probability of live burial happening is. And it is because of this, that I believe it is imperative that we have some sort of preventative measure in place to prevent such an exceedingly cruel fate from happening to some of our citizens.
    A phobia is irrational. At the very least, read the Wikipedia article. Your concern over malpractices and mistakes, however, is sound. It's just rather trifling in a world where people are wrongfully imprisoned and tortured to death over days. You can be far more help to others with a clear-minded approach rather than stuck on a leash of illness. This is why you should see if a councilor can help with the anxiety.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orba View Post
    The way I see it, if this insanely cruel fate of premature burial has any chance of happening to another human, I regard it as my moral duty to try and prevent it. This is because I love human beings, each and every one of them. It literally breaks my heart to imagine this kind of thing happening to even just one of them.
    But, as noted, there are masses starving all the way to death. Why focus on preventing a few seconds of suffocation in a box when you could prevent years of torture? This is an example of why your fear and preoccupation is irrational.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnmaster View Post
    If you can activally prevent it, and possibly influence the law itself, you have my blessing.
    Gee, thanks. You know, there are people slowly dying due to the need of organs. When you die, I want your organs forcibly taken from you to help eliminate this suffering. If your parents/wife resist, they ought to be thrown in jail and lose their good jobs (most good jobs require a clear police criminal record check). I hope they don't get abused in jail, but if they do, hey, they should have handed their deceased over. It's the law. I am a great hero, btw, looking out for those precious seconds of life that could have been spared.

    Do you really need a law to put a clothespin on a corpse's nose?
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    Re: Help! I have tephephobia--the fear of being buried alive!

    Perhaps I misread this?

    "Also, I must respectfully disagree with you that as long as I am not personally affected, I shouldn't let it bother me. The way I see it, if this insanely cruel fate of premature burial has any chance of happening to another human, I regard it as my moral duty to try and prevent it. This is because I love human beings, each and every one of them. It literally breaks my heart to imagine this kind of thing happening to even just one of them. This is the reason behind why I want to change existing laws in British Columbia as to make embalming legally required. I want to prevent premature burial from happening to not just myself, but other people too."

    This bold part was all I was referring too?

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    Re: Help! I have tephephobia--the fear of being buried alive!

    Quote Originally Posted by Orba View Post
    This is because I love human beings, each and every one of them.
    You need to meet more People.

    Have you met Ash yet? Human Beings really are not all that great a species.

    In fact you seem pretty much to be
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    2) Totally immature and underprivileged (given that you have this much time as you do on the INTERNET and the irrational opinions you express here)


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    Re: Help! I have tephephobia--the fear of being buried alive!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnmaster View Post
    Perhaps I misread this?

    "Also, I must respectfully disagree with you that as long as I am not personally affected, I shouldn't let it bother me. The way I see it, if this insanely cruel fate of premature burial has any chance of happening to another human, I regard it as my moral duty to try and prevent it. This is because I love human beings, each and every one of them. It literally breaks my heart to imagine this kind of thing happening to even just one of them. This is the reason behind why I want to change existing laws in British Columbia as to make embalming legally required. I want to prevent premature burial from happening to not just myself, but other people too."

    This bold part was all I was referring too?
    My last paragraph was a sarcastic example, but the same principle applies to forced embalming.

    Alright, so you only want the police to force embalming in BC. The problem is still there: "legally required" is the nice way of saying "you will hand your dead over to us, or get fined/go to jail." BC families who disagree with embalming would be pressured to euthanize their sick and elderly and have secret funerals, or risk ruined careers. All for what? One in a hundred thousand junkies might squirm in their coffins for 30 seconds. It isn't worth forcing people to embalm when a clothespin on the nose will make sure a body is dead.

    Not to mention the millions it would cost to pass and enforce yet another pointless law, lost productivity and economic loss from people who break this law, etc. Burial practices are a big part of religions, and with most people being religious, such a law would never happen anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by BobCox2 View Post
    You need to meet more People.

    Have you met Ash yet? Human Beings really are not all that great a species.
    Funny, but so true!

    However, you may be forgetting Orba's fist thread a while back. I think her anxiety problems are real and we ought to apply sensitivity to the issue.

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    Re: Help! I have tephephobia--the fear of being buried alive!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnmaster View Post
    If you can activally prevent it, and possibly influence the law itself, you have my blessing.

    Out of curiosity, of all the problems in this world, why are you feeling so strongly about this? There's war / famine / rape / murder / theft / random acts of violence / etc..., and you choose to fight being buried alive?
    I choose to fight being buried alive because the way I understand it, it is an extremely horrific way to die. I don't want people to suffer this extremely cruel fate, which though distant, has a very real chance of happening.


    Well actually, if it's a phobia, you have to do something about it to cure yourself (medicine/psycho talk/facing fear), but you don't need to actually be buried to face that fear, just cut the fear of buried alive into its different aspects (darkness / small room / alone) and work your way up to facing those things seperatelly up to the point where you no longer worry about tephephobia.
    Even if I could somehow cure taphephobia, what about being cremated alive? There is no way I can get over that fear, and premature cremation can happen, too.

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    Re: Help! I have tephephobia--the fear of being buried alive!

    Quote Originally Posted by stillman View Post
    My last paragraph was a sarcastic example, but the same principle applies to forced embalming.

    Alright, so you only want the police to force embalming in BC. The problem is still there: "legally required" is the nice way of saying "you will hand your dead over to us, or get fined/go to jail." BC families who disagree with embalming would be pressured to euthanize their sick and elderly and have secret funerals, or risk ruined careers. All for what? One in a hundred thousand junkies might squirm in their coffins for 30 seconds. It isn't worth forcing people to embalm when a clothespin on the nose will make sure a body is dead.
    I am sorry but I don't know what "clothespin on the nose" means, and how does it make sure a person is dead?

    Not to mention the millions it would cost to pass and enforce yet another pointless law, lost productivity and economic loss from people who break this law, etc. Burial practices are a big part of religions, and with most people being religious, such a law would never happen anyway.
    I think you make very good points. How about this, I have another solution. Maybe we can outfit the coroner/physician with portable EEG device that can measure people's brain waves, and they can use this device when they go to a supposed death, then they can use this portable EEG device to see if they can detect any brain activity? That way people who are just unconscious won't be buried/cremated alive by mistake? What do you think?

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    Re: Help! I have tephephobia--the fear of being buried alive!

    Quote Originally Posted by stillman View Post
    Moral crusades often do far more harm than good, under the guise of good. You basically want police to kick in the doors of mourning families, grab their dead loved one, and do things to the body the family and deceased person oppose. Even though I'm naturalist, I of course want religious cultures to perform whatever burial practices they want...even at the risk of things going wrong.
    So you would rather let someone get buried alive?

    There isn't much air in a coffin. At worst, the buried would suffer just minutes of panic and discomfort.
    Actually, I have seen this TV program where they showed the face of a victim of premature burial. She showed signs of dreadful, extreme torture on her face, and her fingers were all broken and bent back from clawing at the coffin. I find that you tend to trivialize the suffering of those unfortunate enough to be buried alive.

    As with gun laws, abortion laws, and so many others, people will break them. People will also go to jail and get career-wrecking criminal records over victimless "crimes".
    I can't disagree with you here.


    Might I suggest your blog (after you deal with the phobia) offer voluntary solutions?
    Like what?


    You want people embalmed alive then?

    You can't think of any other ways to ensure someone is dead? There is a Spike TV show about this...
    Well, do you have any better ways of ensuring someone is dead? I can't think of any except for the portable EEG device thing.


    But, as noted, there are masses starving all the way to death. Why focus on preventing a few seconds of suffocation in a box when you could prevent years of torture? This is an example of why your fear and preoccupation is irrational.
    First of all, it's not just premature burial. I am talking about premature cremation too. And that is so self-apparently awful that I believe doing everything I can to prevent it is worth it. Also, you seem to be saying just because there are other bad things happening in the world, I shouldn't be focusing on one particular bad thing (in this case, premature burial/cremation) that you personally regard to be not as important. I don't understand. I have only limited resources, of course I am going to focus my efforts on things that I personally deem to be the most urgent. What are you saying, that I should just forget about preventing people from being buried/cremated alive, just because there are other bad things out there happening?

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    Re: Help! I have tephephobia--the fear of being buried alive!

    Quote Originally Posted by Orba View Post
    I choose to fight being buried alive because the way I understand it, it is an extremely horrific way to die. I don't want people to suffer this extremely cruel fate, which though distant, has a very real chance of happening.

    Even if I could somehow cure taphephobia, what about being cremated alive? There is no way I can get over that fear, and premature cremation can happen, too.
    Okay, let's start with the statistics, how many people are actually buried/cremated alive while being consious?

    There have probably been a few cases, but in most cases, the people are presumed dead so in a deep coma of some sorts, now what are the odds of them waking up by themselves exactly in the 2 minute-ish time window you have before you run out of oxygen?

    There are a lot more people dying the exact same way on a more regular basis:
    example 1: earthquake causes building to collapse, you're trapped under it and slowly die over the course of 1-2 weeks due to dehydration and starvation and possibly infections/complications (compared to the course of minutes spend in a coffin before dying of lack of oxygen)
    example 2: you're in a burning building, you can't escape and before you can die of carbondioxide poisoning, you get trapped in a flashfire, burning to dead over the course of the next few minutes

    And keep in mind that in my realistic every day 2 examples you are fully aware of what happens, whereas in a coffin you're 99.999999999999999999% sure to be unconscious.

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    Re: Help! I have tephephobia--the fear of being buried alive!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnmaster View Post
    Okay, let's start with the statistics, how many people are actually buried/cremated alive while being consious?

    There have probably been a few cases, but in most cases, the people are presumed dead so in a deep coma of some sorts, now what are the odds of them waking up by themselves exactly in the 2 minute-ish time window you have before you run out of oxygen?
    If what you say is true, then how come I have come across so many horror stories of people being exhumed years after burial, only for us to find facial features of extreme torture, plus bent/bloody fingers? These people must have been in a deep coma prior to being buried, and they did awake by themselves just after being placed in a grave.


    There are a lot more people dying the exact same way on a more regular basis:
    example 1: earthquake causes building to collapse, you're trapped under it and slowly die over the course of 1-2 weeks due to dehydration and starvation and possibly infections/complications (compared to the course of minutes spend in a coffin before dying of lack of oxygen)
    Actually I believe you have about 1 to 2 hours worth of oxygen in a sealed coffin. this is not taking into account in some cultures, they tend to bore a small hole in the coffin to allow air in as to speed up decomposition. In this scenario. the person trapped inside the coffin can survive and feel mental anguish for longer.

    example 2: you're in a burning building, you can't escape and before you can die of carbondioxide poisoning, you get trapped in a flashfire, burning to dead over the course of the next few minutes

    And keep in mind that in my realistic every day 2 examples you are fully aware of what happens, whereas in a coffin you're 99.999999999999999999% sure to be unconscious.
    See above. Historical accounts of live burial disagrees with you. People had been known to wake up in coffins all by themselves and died a horrific death as a result.

    I appreciate your trying to make me feel better, though.

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