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    Re: Diablo 3/Torchlight 2

    All the itemisation changes cannot replace the fact is is fundamentally flawed at it's core.
    All icing, no cake. Which is pretty much how I feel about D3.

    They cut too much out of D2 when making D3
    - No stat points
    - No skill points
    - No crushing blow
    - No oSkills
    - No FHR
    - No FCR

    Basically it's dull. No creativity in character building.

    Also the story line is highly linear. Want to go into this area? Sorry you can't as you didn't speak to this guy first.


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    Re: Diablo 3/Torchlight 2

    Same what others said:

    D3: I don't like it the everything is based on Weapon Damage. And that I could get a 10x better weapon in the AH for a penny than my best self-found...also, it makes me feel alone, too. Also, I don't like it that they dictate how boss fights have to go: In D2 you could backpedal if a boss was too strong, like with Diablo himself: go through the TP, run to the CS from the WP again to get a better position and so on. You can't do that in D3. If you're playing HC self-found, there's no way to tell before a boss fight if you're weapon damage will be enough to beat the boss in time before it beats you.

    TL2: Quick and dirty. Like the old style of it, but I just don't get behind the story line...seems to random to me.

    PoE: only tried the beta, still had flaws in it, and the skill socketing system takes some time to get used to (more time than I spent with the game). Looks promising though.

    So yeah, I came back to D2, and still enjoy it more than all of the above, although once in a while I fire up D3 or TL2 again for an hour or two

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    Re: Diablo 3/Torchlight 2

    Quote Originally Posted by maxicek View Post
    All the itemisation changes cannot replace the fact is is fundamentally flawed at it's core.
    All icing, no cake. Which is pretty much how I feel about D3.

    They cut too much out of D2 when making D3
    - No stat points
    - No skill points
    - No crushing blow
    - No oSkills
    - No FHR
    - No FCR

    Basically it's dull. No creativity in character building.

    Also the story line is highly linear. Want to go into this area? Sorry you can't as you didn't speak to this guy first.


    (Icing = frosting if you speak "American English")
    Yea, this is really a problem. There's no investment in a character, I can change skills in under a minute with no penalty. There's just no investment in a character. There is actually some character gear breakpoints and builds to consider, but it really only maters at the top end of min/maxing, and pales in comparison to min/maxing in D2.

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    Re: Diablo 3/Torchlight 2

    I wrote a rather long and detailed post complaining about Torchlight 2 hereand I don't feel like repeating myself, basically, itemization is crappy, character building lacks depth and story is non existent. It is a nice game to play through with say one of each class and I logged about 100 hours in it and got my money's worth, that said it just does not compare to D2.

    I will wait for Path of exile to come out before trying it out.

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    Re: Diablo 3/Torchlight 2

    D3: Bought it and tried it. Played through normal and had enough. It just wasn't my game.

    TL2: Nice game. Fun for a while (played 60-70 hours I guess) but gets boring. Same problem as D3. I don't want to have to take the skills you think I should take.

    PoE: Love it. It's free too! I did give them some money for my entertainment though. The game has a good feel to me. Character specialisation is there and you can beat the game without having to trade or to party. I still have to kill the last boss on the last difficulty though. Got sidetracked with racing and a new char.
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    Re: Diablo 3/Torchlight 2

    TL2 I think (as Torchlight 1) is a fantastic play through, but with little desire to do it a second time, much like Borderlands. D3 (in my opinion) was just awful. The game itself I put 200 hours into and certainly got my money worth, but after the novelty of a new Diablo game wore off, it was just this awful game that I found hard to consider part of the Diablo franchise. I didn't find a single legendary or set in those 200 hours. On top of all that has been mentioned so far, the way Blizzard handled the launch and the subsequent 'mess', was just pathetic.

    PoE... Awesome!

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    Re: Diablo 3/Torchlight 2

    Thanks for responses! Really appreciate that.

    So far I played both of games very briefly and D3 stands out due to the lore and it feels more fleshed out. But AH situation sounds discouraging. It's always been so much a part of D2 to play self-found. I'm glad that they admitted the mistake of AH in the game, I hope they solve it somehow. For now I think I'll create some kind of rule for myself. Or who knows, maybe I'll find the ultimate dzen in gearing up and grinding to legendary items to sell. Either way, seems less diablo-esque. I'll give it a try.

    I've read about Path of Exile when several people mentioned it and it seems to have really good responses from players. Although skill system seems a little alienating.

    PS Somehow trying all those games I now want to play diablo 2 again lol.

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    Re: Diablo 3/Torchlight 2

    The skill system seems a bit dramatic, but it is far simpler than it looks

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    Re: Diablo 3/Torchlight 2

    It's a bit overwhelming in the beginning, but once you have looked at the important keystones a bit more you'll get it. It really isn't as difficult as it looks. Give it a try and never look back (except for D2 that is).
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    Re: Diablo 3/Torchlight 2

    I have to agree with Kestegs and others about Path of Exile. I got into the beta very early on (I wanted to be a Diamond Supporter but they wouldn't extend the date a couple weeks for me so their loss I guess). It is in a lot better shape now than it was then. It has its own problems, and it really is a spiritual successor to D2 in a lot of ways I think. Where it lacks the most is established story/lore but there's not much to do about that with a first game right?

    As for diablo 3, I can sum up the entire problem with the game for you - Your skills are not the source of your power. Your weapon (primarily) and stats (multiply off the weapon) are. As a result, your character is only as good as your weapon and the stats you pile up on your other gear. By moving from a skill based game to a weapon/stats based game, they inadvertently ripped out the soul of the Diablo franchise. I think they know this as they've recently commented about how some of the ideas from WoW crept into the Diablo development and consequently you have what you have now.

    They're going to continue to mess with itemization and such for awhile, but I think the reason the expansion has been pushed back (the leaked timetable had the expansion already released by now... we don't even have an announcement... this means they went back to the drawing board hard core) is that they are going to re-work the whole skills vs. gear dynamic in the game. Expect D3 expansion to feel a lot more like we all expected.

    Unfortunately the always online requirement is never going to go away.


    All of that said, Diablo 3 is actually a very fun game, and YES YOU CAN play self-found. In fact, it will extend the amount of enjoyment you get out of the game exponentially in my opinion. There is a Diablo 3 "single player" forum on these forums where you can set up "mp" games with folks who play that way to avoid playing with people who use the auction house.

    I use the auction house (mostly because it allowed me to make loads of real life money. yes, I'm a bad person I know) in softcore mode, and I play exclusively with friends and self-found in hardcore mode. Consequently in softcore mode I've got loads of hellfire rings and a CMWW wizard (can solo MP10 ubers) with the fastest breakpoint met and it's completely dull and risk free and boring.

    In hardcore though, I've got a paragon 3 demon hunter as my best character so far, with sheet damage of around 34k and that's amazing.

    My softcore wizard does millions of dps (literally millions, not exaggerating). My hardcore demon hunter is lucky to see a hit for over 25k .... and I have more fun with the self found hardcore character.
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