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    Discuss & Debate Diablo 3/Torchlight 2

    Hello everyone,

    Please don't yell at me for the topic title just yet. I'm an old time D2 player, mostly single player (99% of my 50 posts were done in this forum), and I just want to ask fellow most loyal D2 players about new incarnation of our beloved game and it's so-to-speak indie successor. It so happened to me that I've missed the initial release and now I'm downloading the starter edition and I have some spare time.

    How is Diablo III? Torchlight 2? In your opinion. Have you still come back to D2 after trying one of both of them and why? What did you like/dislike?

    For me, I've just tried Torchlight 2. Played a couple of hours on Veteran. Gameplay is very close and such, the music is very familiar, even the red stat '+' buttons on character stats screen almost whisper 'nostalgia' to you. But it all feels messy and soul-less. Item dropped, but so what? The bare item hunt/character growth instinct is there, but it was the only thing, nothing else. Lore and world absolutely didn't capture me.

    Now with D3 I read a lot of things about that AH. Don't get me wrong, it is very good in WoW, but in Diablo? I've always played self-found, "untwinked", and it will be extremely sad if I have to use the AH for progress. It just cheapens the item hunt in the world to the point of wanting to find something rare just to sell it to buy something rare and useful. How was that experience for you?

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    Re: Diablo 3/Torchlight 2

    RaaaaGGGEEEEEE!!!!!!

    Just kidding

    TL2: I loved this game at first. It grabbed me right away but I ended up shelving it after about 20 hours. I hate the graphics for one. The gameplay feels very clunky, probably more even than D2. The worst part is the items though, I really hated the itemization. It's a good game, but most people that make it to the end game say there's not much desire to grind like D2 had.

    D3: This game is great, I played it since release and have over 700 hours into it. The biggest downside is also the itemization. They have somewhat fixed that through patches though and it's getting much better. The other issue is the AH. I love it and hate it, it makes the gear easy to find and buy, but also makes it quite boring as ultimately you are just grinding gold to buy items. You absolutely can play self found though, I know many people that have done it successfully. The other issue is the game just makes me feel alone, I feel more isolated than I ever did playing D2 SP.

    Now you've left something it of your post...

    Path of exile: This is what I would consider the true successor of D2 as far as gameplay goes. It's currently in open beta, but they will never do a full wipe of the servers. I've got probably 200 hours in this game and in really love it. It reminds me a lot of D2 but with updated graphics and mechanics and lots of fresh ideas. It's also free, so no risk besides the 5 gig download.
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    Re: Diablo 3/Torchlight 2

    D3 sucked, got back to D2 as soon as I completed normal on hc mp 10. This doesn't speak much for D3, but it's just missing blizzard north altogether. They don't know what they're doing anymore at the top. They've been staring at numbers for too long and probably taking lotsa vacations.

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    Re: Diablo 3/Torchlight 2

    I pretty much agree 100% with kestegs.

    I enjoyed D3, probably mainly due to the mumble community. However, after a while I got sick of the grind. For me the problems were AH / stash size and lack of replayability. In D2 it was fairly common for me to keep good items either to try out on a different build or to lend to friends. In D3 if I found a good item that I couldn't use, it was to the AH to make me some money. The replayability problem is once you have one of each character, there is no reason to roll another (and I am a huge Build ADD guy). Overall I enjoyed and sunk a lot of time into it, but it does not have the same longevity as D2.

    TL2 I found incredibly boring and stopped playing fairly quickly.
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    Re: Diablo 3/Torchlight 2

    Quote Originally Posted by kestegs View Post
    the game just makes me feel alone
    This is the new standard by which games should be judged.

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    Re: Diablo 3/Torchlight 2

    I enjoyed D3, I took all five characters through Inferno solo, but only on MP0 and with some dabbling in the Auction House. There were too many little annoyances that just kept me from loving the game and wanting to try play the game again, with new characters that is.

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    Re: Diablo 3/Torchlight 2

    Level 99 virgin nerd here. I've dabbled in D2, D3, GW2, PoE, TL, TL2, BL, BL2, TQIT, etc. and I've done moderately well in most of them.

    TL2 is fun and easy and it will make you feel alone. And it really does feel as if there's no end goal, you just play through and that's the end. It follows the standard skill system, which has been tried and works well, but you won't get anything new out of it. Easily worth your money, even if you pay $20 imho.

    D3 is fun and challenging, but the drop system, at least when I quit in 1.05 or whenever, is garbage. It promotes AH reliance because in order to farm items necessary for the next area, you need to be capable of farming said next area. Catch-22. Itemization comes down to crit, crit damage, IAS, main stat, all resistance/health. Meh. Skill system is fresh at least, although nothing spectacular once you really look at it.

    [edit] Why I quit D3: I was making 1m/2hrs farming and playing the game. On the other hand, I was making 5m-10m/2hrs on average just camping AH, buying low and selling high. In the end I just realized I wasn't even playing the game anymore, I was playing AH. AFAIK this no longer works in 1.07 so I might play again...

    Try PoE. It has a very innovative skill system, based on connecting skill gems. You have a FFX-based stat system. It's also still in its infant stages. Like D3, several OP builds run the metagame, but unlike D3, the difference between top tiered builds and the lower tiered builds aren't miles apart.

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    Re: Diablo 3/Torchlight 2

    Quote Originally Posted by omgwtfbbqpwned View Post
    D3 is fun and challenging, but the drop system, at least when I quit in 1.05 or whenever, is garbage. It promotes AH reliance because in order to farm items necessary for the next area, you need to be capable of farming said next area. Catch-22. Itemization comes down to crit, crit damage, IAS, main stat, all resistance/health. Meh. Skill system is fresh at least, although nothing spectacular once you really look at it.
    This, 100x this. It was pretty depressing that I made more money playing the AH mini-game then the actual game. I think the drop rates have been improved and are continuing to be improved. TBH I think the console version is probably going to be better for us SP types as the drop rate wont be balanced around the AH. Kind of disappointing that the console gets a true SP, whereas the PC version doesn't.

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    Re: Diablo 3/Torchlight 2

    D3: Haven't really even touched it since a bit after the release date, so can't really say how things are now. Zero character customization pretty much ruined it for me. Not even stat points? -_-;; AH was annoying to see, even if serviceable items weren't so terrible to get self-found. Made it to 60, did some A1 running with a friend, then burned the game. Maybe 40-50 hours. Never found a set/legendary, if I remember right.

    TL2: Easily the most visually appealing game for me in the genre, but it just felt pathetically flat. Lasted 5 hours or so before burning. (Just for time perspective, almost 4000 hours on Pangya. Maybe 2x that for D2.)

    Haven't tried PoE, but it sounds appealing. A bit too much so. *avoids*

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    Re: Diablo 3/Torchlight 2

    Never played PoE or Torchlight (1 or 2), but I did play Diablo 3, so I'll comment on that just a touch. Note: I've put in a little over 100 hours on Diablo 3, all but maybe 4 of them within two months of release.

    It's a good game. Duh, Blizzard made it and that's what they do. But it just doesn't do it for me. I was really enjoying the story and the excitement of a sequel on my original solo playthrough and then really enjoying MPing with my Starcraft clanmates and with folks from here (Liquid_Evil and his wife, Zylo, Nagisa, etc.) but once I got to the point I had opened up the majority of the game's tool chest the biggest problem of the game for me really started to hit home: the stash size. In D2 I keep an absolute ton of items on the basis of "I might find a use for this one day" and that urge only increases in D3 because of the readily adjustable skills but there's just not enough room to keep more than a few key items. It truly bums me out.

    Beyond that, I hate the feeling that every playing session must be long (30 minutes +) since I like to play in quick bursts (enough runs to fill the stash in D2 or a ladder game or two in Starcraft) and then run for some water/an actual run/read something/etc. I don't like feeling like I have to set aside a large block of time just to do some MFing. And I understand that I play/have played games like Civilization and the Elder Scrolls games (or even X-Com now that I think about it) where a quick playing session may turn into hours but in those cases it turns into hours because even after hours it feels like a quick playing session, whereas 30 minutes of non-questing monster hunting in D3 feels like about half of forever.

    Also, I can only teleport four times. Drove me close to total insanity, honestly. I like speed and mobility - my favorite unit to control in Brood War was the vulture, for instance, even though I wasn't a Terran player - so that just made me want to toss my disk out the window. And, no, I don't buy it being "strategically more interesting" because you can use teleport to put yourself in tactically advantageous positions whether its use is limited or not just as well as you can be a complete idiot with it in either case, as well.

    Good things, though: I really did like the storyline. Some of the skills were ridiculously cool. If you play it with friends, especially while on skype or some other voice chat, it is an absolute blast, and it's pretty awesome even by yourself, especially before you get to Inferno. Honestly this post comes down much harder against D3 than I actually feel; if it weren't for the stash limitation I probably would have played it longer/would still be playing it. I can dress all my characters in pink, after all...

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