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    Re: Boston Marathon bombing - you read it here first!

    Quote Originally Posted by BobCox2 View Post
    Glen Beck Gives Obama Till Monday to Admit Boston Bombing was Inside Job.

    If he truly has any proof he's being a massive dick by not showing it.
    I don't agree with the interpretation, first off. My interest is now piqued, because I agree with Glurin that Beck (like Coulter and Levin) are painted as Jones-level lunatics but rarely are disproved outright. My money's on the speculation which I wanted to keep out of the other thread - I think it's entirely possible now that this Abdul Rahman Ali Alharbi has known ties to the Muslim Bros. (they're practically like the Elks' Club in Arab lands) and is being rushed out of the country because his daddy is a Saudi bigwig. Or are somehow friends of the administration. You know, the same sort of speculation that Michael Moore and some of the mainstream media was making 24/7 during Bush's term.

    That's not in any way making a claim about Boston being an "inside job" - unlike the Truthers' claims (and both bombers and their mom are Truthers). Instead, it's asserting that the Administration doesn't give a rat-feck about it's mission, and is all about the "relationships" it's trying to build with the Muslim Bros. No Leftie wants to recognize Obama's clay feet are massively bigger than Bush's.

    EDIT - There's plenty of support for accusations about this NOT being a 'lone wolf' scenario, which is what the administration has tried to imply already.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevinator View Post
    Okay, it matters if he had actual ties to some organization. But if they were on their own, then it's a bit different.
    Qualitatively, they weren't on their own. The elder brother had some form of "training" in Russia, and they were adherents of the Australian Islamist who is the protege of the American one we killed. When discussing this sort of operation, even Osama didn't cut travel orders and supply requisitions for the 9/11 filth.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevinator View Post
    It's a fine line between nut bar and "freedom" fighter. Perhaps a matter of perspective too.
    Really, no. NO. Some of the Left was claiming the Iraqi insurgents were freedom fighters. They could make this claim because Bremer had screwed the pooch so badly by firing the entire Ba'athist hierarchy in Iraq. They weren't anything like the Islamists, who since you've undoubtedly forgotten, like to bomb kids getting out of school. I couldn't even find the original article quickly; this one was from 2012. That's to say nothing of BUILDING A SCHOOL WITH BOMBS IN IT.

    Several of these sub-human filth have said it quite well - that Westerners love life (or Pepsi, depending on the quote), while Islamists love death.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevinator View Post
    I missed that bit where it was assumed to be the tea party's fault. I heard that the allegations had been made, but didn't hear where or when or how often they were made. Was it widespread?
    I'm hardly going to re-post half my links, including my OP, just because you're incapable of reading.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevinator View Post
    oh again with the sides. I'm on my own side. In fact, the "sides" is one of the biggest problems we have. That and the campaign financing issue.
    No, what you fail to recognize is that your default, insanely biased instinctual views place you securely in my enemies' camp. Nothing that a good mugging wouldn't solve. However, it reminds me of the Scout parents baiting my wife with claims that the bombers must be TEA Partiers. It's the default, reflexive, hatred of the conservative position which has been instilled in the populace over the past 45 years.
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    Anyway, Animal farm is on my list of things to read. I know, I've been saying that forever.
    Jesus wept. My son will soon be more well-read than you, and he's barely 11.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevinator View Post
    It's not about mercy, and it's not about him. It's about us following our own rules. If we strip him of citizenship just to change venues so he can be killed, isn't that a victory for him? Isn't that granting him more importance than he really should have?
    Well, we'll agree to disagree on parts of it. What I'm calling "mercy" really isn't mercy, it's the policy of the 1970's Left of being soft on criminals. Indeed, it can't be ignored when faced with the reality of how sick and evil the results are, but changing the system takes time - and far too much time, really, because of the number of highly placed Leftist judges who buy into all the claptrap (including at least two of the 'lady' Supremes and probably three, since Sotomayor is still a somewhat unknown quantity).

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    Re: Boston Marathon bombing - you read it here first!

    Quote Originally Posted by Stevinator View Post
    I missed that bit where it was assumed to be the tea party's fault. I heard that the allegations had been made, but didn't hear where or when or how often they were made. Was it widespread?
    It was almost at the same time as they were reporting that there was an explosion the first time. Both CNN and MSNBC, at the very least, implicating "right wing tea party extremists". Mr. Thrill-up-his-leg claimed that violent incidents like this are "normally" done by right wing extremists, despite evidence to the contrary, but that's par for the course for most of the mainstream media really. Others openly stated that it had better have been a white American and not anyone else.

    It was actually a little bit humorous at times because some of it was in the context of: "Now, nobody should jump to conclusions after something like this, but I'm sure it was white, right wing extremists because it's tax day."

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    Re: Boston Marathon bombing - you read it here first!

    Quote Originally Posted by Glurin View Post
    It was almost at the same time as they were reporting that there was an explosion the first time. Both CNN and MSNBC, at the very least, implicating "right wing tea party extremists". *Mr. Thrill-up-his-leg claimed that violent incidents like this are "normally" done by right wing extremists, despite evidence to the contrary, but that's par for the course for most of the mainstream media really. Others openly stated that it had better have been a white American and not anyone else.
    Who?*

    Lets talk facts here.

    The 2 Breaks in this case are both from Victims of these guys..

    One a boat owner with property damage that might have spotted the one in the Boat a lot earlier if there had not been a lock-down.

    And the other the was the guy that lost both legs * and nearly his life but because of hero first responder in the general public lived to ID them when Facial Rec software failed badly.

    Lets not lock down the general pubic and stop wasting money on things that don't work. The cameras worked but the software does not.

    Boston police chief: facial recognition tech didn't help find bombing suspects

    “The technology came up empty even though both Tsarnaevs’ images exist in official databases: Dzhokhar had a Massachusetts driver’s license; the brothers had legally immigrated; and Tamerlan had been the subject of some FBI investigation,” the Post reported on Saturday.Amid a huge volume of digital evidence, one agent watched same video 400 times.



    PoRN?
    Nope.
    People just do Facial Rec better than software.


    But not via social media.

    “In addition to being almost universally wrong, the theories developed via social media complicated the official investigation, according to law enforcement officials,” the Post reported. “Those officials said Saturday that the decision on Thursday to release photos of the two men in baseball caps was meant in part to limit the damage being done to people who were wrongly being targeted as suspects in the news media and on the Internet.”

    LOL Nope.
    Last edited by BobCox2; 21-04-2013 at 23:42.

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    Re: Boston Marathon bombing - you read it here first!

    I'd say that the damage done was much more on the news media side than the internet. It's all about context. Internet speculation is generally done in the context of everyone knowing that what they are looking at most likely isn't the guilty party. The news media on the other hand, plastered pictures of anyone with a bulgy backpack on the front page with a big headline that stopped just shy of outright calling for everyone to grab their lynching pitchforks.

    FYI, Thrill-up-his-leg = Chris Mathews.

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    Re: Boston Marathon bombing - you read it here first!

    "How dare people try to pin it on right-wingers! Now, let's go and try to pin it on Obama!!"

    /barf

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    Re: Boston Marathon bombing - you read it here first!

    Quote Originally Posted by BobCox2 View Post
    People just do Facial Rec better than software.


    But not via social media.
    Very interesting; I had heard neither. In fact, the deafening sound of self-congratulation you referred to previously was definitely heard regarding the social media.

    I'm not at all surprised the facial recognition software doesn't work. Pattern recognition in and of itself is pretty tough, as I recall from one old college paper.

    Quote Originally Posted by Technomancer View Post
    /barf
    I bet you were puking JUST as hard regarding Mikey Moore's Jokeumentary, weren't you, Techno?

    Apparently Beck's "blockbuster" was what I already posted parts of, only much more sinister-sounding as more is understood. Blaming Obama for covering up significant incompetence, tolerance of terrorists, and malevolent corruption, which is what Beck is accusing the administration of WITH SOME PROOF, and exactly the same sort of accusation framed by Moore WITHOUT PROOF, is not of the same level as what Tingles Matthew, Sirota, and the rest of your buddies did.

    Their accusation was that TEA Party mentality was the cause, and that white American TEA Partiers were the culprits. Obviously, on the last charge they got two out of three; these were literal Caucasians and the citizenship had not been revoked (as Beck mentions). The fact that your buddies have historically proven to be the natural allies and practitioners of terrorism is just one of those inconvenient truths that you prefer to ignore.

    EDIT - The one who was captured may have tried to commit suicide, and screwed up. Plus, they didn't even have gun permits!
    Last edited by jmervyn; 22-04-2013 at 17:24.

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    Re: Boston Marathon bombing - you read it here first!

    Meanwhile in Canada


    Canada to announce arrests after thwarting "major terrorist attack": CBC

    -Two charged with conspiracy to carry out a terror plot against a VIA train, investigation started in August 2012
    -This is after a year long investigation led by the RCMP, as well as local/provincial police
    -A bomb was supposed to go off on the VIA train to derail it, near Niagara Falls on the Canadian side
    -On April 22, after an investigation called Project Smooth, two individuals charged
    -Al-Qaeda supported attack against train (confirmed)
    -Would have resulting in innocent people being killed or serious injured
    -The accused have been formally charged with terrorism
    -Search warrants were executed in Montreal and Toronto
    -Charges include conspiring to interfere with transportation, and conspiring to murder persons for the benefit of a terror group
    -Toronto Police, York Police, Peel Region Police, Ontario Provincial Police, Durham Police, Canadian Border Services, Canadian Intelligence agencies all participated in the investigation
    -No updates on weapons found on the suspect's premises, searches being executed right now
    -Plot in the planning stage, but threat not imminent
    -Two individuals arrested not Canadian citizens, specifications not given since investigation is active
    -No evidence (so far) to indicate that these attacks were state-sponsored
    -Elements of Iranian Al-Qaeda
    -Support from Al-Qaeda in the form of support and guidance
    -Specific route targeted, as opposed to a specific train. Cannot comment on this specific route right now, just that it's New York to Toronto
    -Names: Chiheb Esseghaier and Raed Jaser
    I know a lot of people are confused about Iranian Al-Qaeda being involved, but here's an article backing the statement up:
    [1] http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/rcmp-al...sted-1.1248858

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    Re: Boston Marathon bombing - you read it here first!

    Quote Originally Posted by BobCox2 View Post
    Lets talk facts here.

    The 2 Breaks in this case are both from Victims of these guys..

    One a boat owner with property damage that might have spotted the one in the Boat a lot earlier if there had not been a lock-down.

    and if the lock down had never been put into place then the guy probably would have never been able to make it to the boat in the first place

    so your post really doesn't make any sensse

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    Re: Boston Marathon bombing - you read it here first!

    Dzhokhar and Tamerlan's motive—or motives—is is still unclear. But that's not the only unknown. Many of the Tsarnaevs' actions last week seem baffling in retrospect. Here are some of the most confounding things they did:

    1. Wear a backwards hat and no sunglasses. Unlike his older brother, Dzhokhar made little effort to prevent cameras from capturing his face, making him easier to identify when the FBI released security camera photos on Thursday. Indeed, classmates at University of Massachusetts–Dartmouth did see him in the photos, but dismissed the similarity because it seemed so far-fetched.
    2. Not react to the explosions. For three days, investigators pored over all available photos and surveillance videos of the blast area searching for abnormal reactions. The complaint filed in federal court on Monday specifically cites Dzhokhar's reaction to the first explosion as a giveaway; per the complaint, he glanced in the direction of the first blast only briefly.
    3. Leave the car in the shop. The Wall Street Journal reported that Dzhokhar stopped by an auto-body shop in Watertown on Tuesday to pick up the Mercedes he'd brought in for repairs.
    4. Stay in Boston. The second bomb exploded at 2:49 p.m. last Monday. Dzhokhar and Tamerlan carjacked a Mercedes at 10:39 p.m.* on Thursday. What did they do in the interim three days? Go to the gym, check in on their busted car, and, in Dzhokhar's case, go to a party on the UMass–Dartmouth campus. During the three-day window in which their involvement was unknown, they made no attempt to flee.
    5. Kill an MIT police officer. Why did the brothers shoot 26-year-old Sean Collier? The murder at 10:30 p.m. on Thursday set in motion the events that would ultimately lead to their capture.
    6. Run out of cash. When Dzhokhar carjacked a Mercedes on Thursday night, he and his brother had one thing in mind: Get cash, and fast. They emptied $800 from an ATM using their victim's PIN number, before they reached the account limit. Holding up a stranger for money suggests a woeful lack of planning on their part (they hadn't budgeted) that helped alert them to the authorities.
    7. Not understand how ATMs work. After reaching the daily withdrawal limit at one ATM, the Tsarnaevs, apparently not realizing that the machines are part of an interconnected system, decided to try their luck at two different machines. The quest to find a working ATM was how they ended up, coincidentally, at a 7/11 in Cambridge around the same time it was the scene of an armed robbery, and were spotted on the store security camera.
    8. Confess to the hostage. According to the complaint, when Dzhokhar got into the Mercedes, he immediately told the driver, "Did you hear about the Boston explosion? I did that." That meant their cover would be immediately blown if the driver escaped. Which brings us to…
    9. Stop for snacks. The Los Angeles Times reported that the hostage escaped after the brothers stopped at a gas station on Memorial Drive to buy snacks.
    10. Keep the hostage's phone. The Tsarnaevs continued on without their hostage—but they did have his phone, which allowed police to track their location via GPS.
    11. Bring a BB gun. The weapons used by the two suspects, according to police: a pressure-cooker bomb, seven IEDs, an M4 carbine, two handguns, and a BB gun. Why a BB gun?

    Edit: Apparently the answer to #5 is they wanted his gun and HaHa it was a locking holster and they did not get it.
    Last edited by BobCox2; 24-04-2013 at 00:42.

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    Re: Boston Marathon bombing - you read it here first!

    Quote Originally Posted by BobCox2 View Post
    I know a lot of people are confused about Iranian Al-Qaeda being involved, but here's an article backing the statement up:
    [1] http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/rcmp-al...sted-1.1248858
    I'm unsurprised - I strongly suspect that IF the Saud guy being quietly rushed out of the country IS as bad an actor as Glenn Beck is asking (and is being denied), then it will be much along the same lines. First, it isn't like these filth need special munitions or firearms as if they were James Bond and I'madinnerjacket was their "Q" - hell, they could get RPG's across the Mexican border if desired. Instead, they want guidance, approval, and promises of fame, which is exactly what these state-condoned networks can provide them.

    Just think of the possibilities - Egypt in the hands of the Muslim Bros. can spread their 'fame' throughout the land as part of the great struggle against Satan. Meanwhile our own nation has a solipsism-like mindset when it comes to seeing the big picture and fighting back, and decides that the two couldn't be part of a greater plan without even bothering to find out.

    Kind of like Fort Hood is still considered "workplace violence".

    Last edited by jmervyn; 23-04-2013 at 14:54.

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