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    Re: RIP Iron Lady

    Quote Originally Posted by jmervyn View Post
    Dancing on someone's grave isn't exactly 'playing nice'. Seeing how you're not aware of that.
    I would gladly have danced on her hospital bed but ... ah ... too late is too late.

    Speaking in vague references and hidden meanings, sneering at others when they fail to catch your quadruple-entendres... you're plagiarizing my old posts!
    Plagiarising? Would that not imply that I was aware in some way of your old posts?

    Rejoicing over the woman's death because you didn't like her style? Really? I don't like Ricky Gervais, and despise Bill Maher, but it's not like I'd do happy dances for their demise.
    Hmm, you're absolutely right. I can only take comfort in the fact that her "style" was the least of her transgressions and that my dancing arises from many different and deeply-felt wellsprings of feeling.

    Meh, it's more about Donna Brazile, erstwhile head of the DNC being a douchey feminatzi. She's barely got two brain cells to rub together, and she asks what Thatcher ever did. Even for a dyed-in-the-wool Commie hack like Brazile, who would discount all the other issues, THATCHER HELPED INVENT SOFT SERVE ICE CREAM!
    Ah, I'm just joshing, it's wrong to joke about an old lady who has passed away. She was a human being, doing an incredibly difficult and stressful job on the national and world stages, in service of her country. Heh. No, but seriously, I am glad the vicious vile old hag is dead.

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    Re: RIP Iron Lady

    Hmm yes, this already took the expected course. Count me out on that.

    I'm not approving of a couple of things she did, but she certainly brought the UK back to a kind of strength which was good for the country. RIP.
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    Re: RIP Iron Lady

    I generally side for those that are respectful in a RIP Tread though with Politicians...
    If you have a problem make a "Glad they are gone" or "Burn in Hell" thread instead so both sides are represented.

    I will agree with this.

    Greenwald: "There is absolutely nothing wrong with loathing Margaret Thatcher or any other person with political influence and power based upon perceived bad acts, and that doesn't change simply because they die." (guardian.co.uk)

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    Re: RIP Iron Lady

    Fulfilling a pre-forum crash promise... *dances*

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    Re: RIP Iron Lady

    Bob, with anyone else I would agree with you. G W Bush, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot ... if someone wants to be respectful after they died, the thread should be allowed to carry that tone.

    However, we are talking about Thatch. No rules, nothing off limits, just the way she lived.
    And I will be your slave bunny if you can prove that the OP of the thread was posting for any reaon other than the S&Gs plus the guaranteed responses that I personally obliged him with.

    *joins the dancing in Basingstoke*

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    Re: RIP Iron Lady

    Quote Originally Posted by LozHinge the Unhinged View Post
    However, we are talking about Thatch. No rules, nothing off limits, just the way she lived.
    I sense strong hypocrisy... so all the totalitarians of the Left should have some appropriate decorum observed in their demise, but the woman who made your life and career feckin' possible should be dug up when she's finally interred.
    Quote Originally Posted by LozHinge the Unhinged View Post
    And I will be your slave bunny if you can prove that the OP of the thread was posting for any reaon other than the S&Gs plus the guaranteed responses that I personally obliged him with.
    You are so off base that you've gone into self-beclowning mode here. I genuinely LIKED the woman, as far as I can appreciate any politician; I named my dog after her. You haven't provided any legitimate grounds for the depths of your hate, so you sound kind of like the American Bush haters who scream about his being the worst President evah!

    You forget that one of my seminal experiences in the U.K. was the Falklands victory, which was far more clear-cut than many American victories have been. I'm kind of with Bob here (horror) - I hate many on the Left but have the decency and humanity not to rejoice in their death - I even was uncomfortable with the rejoicing over OBL's killing. Why have a street party when someone else stamps out a cockroach, even though the act prevents potential future harm? Vengeance and gloating over death are... small. Bad form.

    Long time since I've seen Suicidal Zebra around these parts; shame to see that he's on your 'side' here. From some n00z coverage, it seems like a lot of those who have benefited from Thatcher's legacy hate her with the vehemence you do.

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    Re: RIP Iron Lady

    Ah, so you do recognise hyperbole when it tweeks your nose, Merv!

    Here, as you like them so very much, have a picture:

    ken-loach-on-thatcher-funeral.jpg

    I won't be able to describe why I hold the kind of hate for Thatcher that no other politician or person has ever inspired in me. It is borne of experience - not dogma, not principle - the pure, unadulterated experience of living under her poisonous shadow.

    If I could cogently describe it to you, you would still fail to understand - you have no experiences of your own to compare it with. That's not a failure of yours, Merv, I don't expect you to know what I am talking about, nor do I wish to persuade you. I don't even need you to agree to differ. And no amount of "admirable quality" that I concede was in that viscious woman can cause the harm she did to evaporate or be forgiven. An evil-doer who also achieved some good is still an evil-doer.

    And yes, you posted for the S&Gs. To try to deny that is, frankly, beneath you. And laughable, let's not forget that.

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    Re: RIP Iron Lady

    Quote Originally Posted by LozHinge the Unhinged View Post
    I won't be able to describe why I hold the kind of hate for Thatcher that no other politician or person has ever inspired in me. It is borne of experience - not dogma, not principle - the pure, unadulterated experience of living under her poisonous shadow.

    If I could cogently describe it to you, you would still fail to understand - you have no experiences of your own to compare it with.
    Honestly, that's complete B.S. My Mom raised me with the same unthinking, unreasoned, uninformed hatred of Nixon - it was only after I had grown and started to understand the deeper political currents that I understood it and realized that it was not only wrong but farcical. If it was, say, someone who had actually stolen money from you through the abuse of their political position (ahem) then you could state so clearly.

    I suspect you can't bring it into words because there's really nothing rational behind it - she is your Goldstein.


    Quote Originally Posted by LozHinge the Unhinged View Post
    And yes, you posted for the S&Gs. To try to deny that is, frankly, beneath you. And laughable, let's not forget that.
    You're utterly wrong. I can't figure out if you're claiming this to forgive your own obnoxiousness or what. I didn't expect you to have anything pleasant to say, but I honestly didn't anticipate your vitriol; if I had posted it a bit later I would have included Annette Funicello. Do you want to take a piss on her corpse too?

    I was not an unabashed admirer of Baroness Thatcher, just as I was not an unabashed admirer of Reagan, but I agree with those who put her on the same level as Churchill (who had plenty of less-than-noble qualifications too). You, OTOH, are being as hateful as those rioting are, and given your unfortunate language, you're apparently no different from one of them.


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    Re: RIP Iron Lady

    Quote Originally Posted by jmervyn View Post
    Honestly, that's complete B.S. My Mom raised me with the same unthinking, unreasoned, uninformed hatred of Nixon - it was only after I had grown and started to understand the deeper political currents that I understood it and realized that it was not only wrong but farcical. If it was, say, someone who had actually stolen money from you through the abuse of their political position (ahem) then you could state so clearly.
    Oh, I see, it's your Mom's fault I hate Thatcher? Thanks for clearing that up!


    I suspect you can't bring it into words because there's really nothing rational behind it - she is your Goldstein.
    I suspect it simply isn't worth my effort. The words will bounce of you as always happens when you are faced by ideas and experiences beyond your comprehension. You wouldn't get it and you wouldn't try, and you wouldn't admit to it if you did. How is this worth my while?

    You're utterly wrong.
    Argh! Can't argue with the big, bold letters, can I? All is lost!

    I can't figure out if you're claiming this to forgive your own obnoxiousness or what.
    We'll add this to the list of things you cannot figure.

    I didn't expect you to have anything pleasant to say, but I honestly didn't anticipate your vitriol;
    I know, I like to throw you the occasionally freebie for you to goof off on ...

    if I had posted it a bit later I would have included Annette Funicello.
    Who?
    /rhetorical

    Do you want to take a piss on her corpse too?
    Not feeling the need to. Why, do you recommend it?

    I was not an unabashed admirer of Baroness Thatcher, just as I was not an unabashed admirer of Reagan, but I agree with those who put her on the same level as Churchill (who had plenty of less-than-noble qualifications too).
    Yes, because Churchill's premiership was virtually identical to Thatch's. :rolleyes:
    Mind you ... they both prosecuted a war against their enemies (plus Thatch also had the Falklands, too, so that puts her one-up on Winston).

    You, OTOH, are being as hateful as those rioting are, and given your unfortunate language, you're apparently no different from one of them.
    Well, Jesus did teach us that the thought is the deed, so my hatred of Maggie is precisely the same as the destruction of property and public-order offences you allude to. There's no difference between setting fires and verbally expressing your opinions, after all.

    OMG! I'm a thought-criminal! Fetch me my glowing ball of care!

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    Re: RIP Iron Lady

    Quote Originally Posted by LozHinge the Unhinged View Post
    Oh, I see, it's your Mom's fault I hate Thatcher? Thanks for clearing that up!
    Pfft. You claimed I had no way of comprehending unreasoned hatred, and I countered with my obvious personal experience of precisely that.
    Quote Originally Posted by LozHinge the Unhinged View Post
    How is this worth my while?
    "It's a black thing; you wouldn't understand."? Poppycock. Not only am I not immune to legitimate claims, but I certainly don't assert a grasp of European domestic affairs. I believe my Goldstein accusation to be the most accurate.
    Quote Originally Posted by LozHinge the Unhinged View Post
    I know, I like to throw you the occasionally freebie for you to goof off on ...
    If you think this is goofery, you're quite a bit less perceptive than you believe yourself to be. I'm honestly shocked and somewhat disgusted, because I simply can't manage to sympathize with your emotions. I'm a violent sort of dude, as you and others have asserted, but I've never carried the sort of encumbrance you apparently do. I'd not act this way about Osama and didn't about Chavez; a sense of relief and hope was about all I had.
    Quote Originally Posted by LozHinge the Unhinged View Post
    Yes, because Churchill's premiership was virtually identical to Thatch's. :rolleyes:
    Mind you ... they both prosecuted a war against their enemies (plus Thatch also had the Falklands, too, so that puts her one-up on Winston).
    No good leader makes everyone happy, because sacrifices have to be made - and those sacrificed often carry a grudge, simply because they lose the upper hand.

    The sort of vehemence you display is similar to that of the American Left when their teachers' unions lose their monopoly. I don't doubt that some of them will dance and rejoice like Palestinians on 9/11, but it's really about their losing the ability of fecking over their fellow citizens. Which is what I'm uncomfortably suspicious of regarding your glee.
    Quote Originally Posted by LozHinge the Unhinged View Post
    Well, Jesus did teach us that the thought is the deed, so my hatred of Maggie is precisely the same as the destruction of property and public-order offences you allude to. There's no difference between setting fires and verbally expressing your opinions, after all.

    OMG! I'm a thought-criminal! Fetch me my glowing ball of care!
    Well, you DID get my point. Your verbal violence is SPIRITUALLY no different, just as lust I feel for Halle Berry is SPIRITUALLY no different from my bending her over my desk and giving her a hard rogering. Neither is beneficial to a human spirit.

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