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    Re: Diablo 3 AH to close permanently

    No AH = back to the crappy sloppy wug wuw trade system in D2 HELL NO!

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    Re: Diablo 3 AH to close permanently

    To be honest, I don't care what happens in wug/wuw trades. We have trading forums here...

    Anyway, this was an April Fool's joke, so it makes no sense to speculate about what would happen if we had no AH.
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    Re: Diablo 3 AH to close permanently

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    Kris, if you think about it, with the D3 console version coming out, which will have no AH, it becomes likely FAR more profitable for them to NOT resolve the issue for the PC version. Think about it: All they have to do is include some rudimentary PVP deathmatch in the console version, and not have the AH, and they can say "Look, for those of you who dislike the AH, or want PVP deathmatch, the console version is here! Just spend another $60 and this experience can be yours!"

    You can say they will lose sales in the long run by doing so, but that just hasn't born itself out. D3 sold over 12 million copies. With 4 million coming in the first month, after server issues were resolved (to some extent), after the market had dried out enough to where bots can't have accounted for more than a couple of million of those sales, and most importantly after the reviews had a chance to review the full game (which was met with rampant critical acclaim, even as the user scores told a different story), they sold twice as many copies throughout the rest of the year. The fact is, no one really bears a grudge against Blizzard currently, except a select few individuals, who don't have enough impact to matter to anyone. A console version, bearing the missing features and sans auction house, would likely be met with still more critical success, would sell easily a few million copies, and most importantly, would not further stress their servers, as almost certainly the console version will be without the online only requirement.

    For the PC version, low retention is good for them. The fewer servers they need to keep up to support the game, the better, as they aren't getting any money (other than from the auction house) following the initial box sales. Once the console version comes out, no one in the general populace or media will remember (or care) that Blizzard insisted it wasn't possible to make the game work offline, and the console version does exactly that. No one will remember or care that PVP was promised for PC 2 years before release, and console version has it first. No one will remember or care about people complaining Rampantly that the terrible UI, lack of weapon swap, and artificially low limitation on number of active skills was clearly due to a intended future console port, something fiercely denied by Blizz at the time. No one will remember or care about anything other than Blizzard PR's declaration that there were a vocal minority who had issues with some of the features of D3, and the console version should provide an experience more to the satisfaction of those individuals, as well as allowing Blizzard to reach a new market segment with their products.

    So, if you're Blizzard, what do you do? Do you try to fix all the issues with the experiment (and hugely successful one at that) with always online DRM, real money transactions, and blatantly ignoring the desires of their consumer base which was D3? Do you then try to lure back individuals who have moved on to other games, a fact which is to your benefit? Or do you release basically the exact same product, just without the features fans were raging about years before the game released, and pocket another $600 million from sales of your product to the exact same individuals who already bought it for the PC?

    The fact is, if / when the option for not having access to the AH appears, I expect it to be as a feature of the expansion, for the exact same reason. Release schedule looks like this: Release D3, sell 10+ million copies. Release D3 console, sell 10+ million copies. Release expansion which includes features already present on the console version, and fixes issues which never needed to exist at all, as well as raises the level cap (to make worthless all the items people have acquired) and introduces new items for people to go after, sell 10+ million copies. You may think I'm just bitter and cynical, but that's just the reality of the situation as I see it. Give it a year, and when the release of the console version is imminent (I expect it to come out almost exactly 2 years after the release of D3, with the expansion coming a year after that), we'll see how much of my predictions have come true.

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    Re: Diablo 3 AH to close permanently

    If I was Blizzard, I wouldn't act in such a predictable manner, but that makes it an interesting strategy again ..

    Your cynism isn't one about Blizzard, but about how companies are generally making decisions. I understand why managers often take more care about short-term goals and less about long-term effects. In a few years they will be elsewhere, so they drive the Titanic at full speed while they will already be elsewhere when it hits an iceberg, with the new captain receiving all of the blame.
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    Re: Diablo 3 AH to close permanently

    Quote Originally Posted by raveharu View Post
    No AH = back to the crappy sloppy wug wuw trade system in D2 HELL NO!


    If only we could go back to the 'sloppy' WUG trading from D2. But that can't happen due to the simple fact that itemization/builds doesn't exist in D3.

    Everyone wants the same thing. Hence, trading would be alot easier in D3. Since 99.9% of everything is garbage.





    On topic. AH was one of the key elements that made D3 a failure game play wise. It promoted easy access to end game items for a price and was proud of it. Dummys of all shapes and sizes bought into this concept. Forgetting that a ARPG is about the grind not about credit cards.

    People bought into. "Durrh, i don't have time to PLAY THE GAME, so il just buy the best gear".. A few days later.... "IM BORED". Hook, line and sinker.



    As far as the AH shutting down goes. I just think Blizzard is no longer making money off it and its too costly to maintain.


    Owell, good riddance.

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    Re: Diablo 3 AH to close permanently

    Quote Originally Posted by Vooodu View Post
    As far as the AH shutting down goes. I just think Blizzard is no longer making money off it and its too costly to maintain.
    That was my thought on why they are not adding a web version like WoW has. See Saturday's news item. Or an Armory that you can view auctions and buy/sell items via a phone app. I think their revenue is too low to support that and they don't want to spend the money on it right now. Not to mention the fact that they have a lot of other things to worry about on D3.
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    Re: Diablo 3 AH to close permanently

    Don't care much about the AH itself. Never used it, don't have a problem with people that do. What I do have a problem with is Blizzard letting the AH dictate drop rates which means it affected in a significant way even those that wanted to opt out. They should return drop rates to D2's level. Whether they do that in the current economy or implement a new one is not all that important, just let everybody play the game the way they want, including people that want nothing to do with the AH.

    As for the reasons behind shutting it down, I am quite certain no matter how much it ****s the game up, Activision would never let them do it as long as it returns any kind of profit, so it probably has to do with server maintenance costs. I wonder however: are they allowed to axe it just like that? The AH is an integral part of the game and was advertised as such for the PC version from the beginning. I am sure according to the EULA Blizzard is allowed to do as they please including taking our first born child, but we know that document has its legal limitations in court.

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