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    Re: The Great Disconnect Between the Diablo Universe and Diablo 3 the game.

    How could I forget the legendaries?? Just edited that in.

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    Re: The Great Disconnect Between the Diablo Universe and Diablo 3 the game.

    There are obviously more things to be criticized, I mentioned a couple of them myself in other threads. The story and the atmosphere are not among them for me, however. But well, if they promised a really good story, they failed a bit at it.

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    Re: The Great Disconnect Between the Diablo Universe and Diablo 3 the game.

    Quote Originally Posted by pulli View Post
    Tell me how to ignore all those cutscenes, cheesy lines and boring comments?

    The only good game with lore I played recently was dragon age: origins. There the lore actually gave the game more dimension. In diablo all the lore about monsters etc is so boring and distached from the game.

    Another good game with good lore is the half life universe, there also the story unfolds as you walk through the game.
    The cutscenes, you press escape. It halts it before it plays and you return to normal game window. You can always tell it will start since it's at static quest lines, and says "buffering" in the top left corner.

    For the dialogue, you hit whatever is your "clear windows" hotkey. In my configuration, it's spacebar. So say I'm running the craters and reach the end. I see Azmodan's projection right? I hit spacebar when I know it's that area of the map, and all I ever see is his face appear for a second, then fade. No words, nothing. I never take my eyes off the monsters I'm dealing with / running toward, and I never change my pace in any way shape or form.


    From the way some make it seem, they stop entirely, screw up their faces in an expression of disbelief and disgust, and go over in their mind how fat Jay Wilson is for making this game.



    And as said many times here, the lore is purely a personal taste issue. There is no such thing as "the story is bad, so the game is bad". It's "the story doesn't appeal to me, so the feel of the game suffers". Rather than tart it around as facts and the truth, people fail to realize it's purely a subjective thing that changes from person to person. Two people that hate it will have different opinions about it, same as those who love the lore. I play for the lore because D1 and D2 sucked me into it. When I play D3, I immerse myself in the lore, because I like it. /thread. That's it.

    I don't like the Assassin Creed games because I can't handle the story. Does Assassin's Creed automatically suck because I, Sass, one single person, says so? NO. Will an army of me change it either? NO.

    In D3, I love the story. Is it therefore a saint among games all others should bow to? [s]Yes[/s] NO. Will an army of anyone in this thread change anything? NO. It's pointless bickering that just circlejerks the same hatemongering and fanboy bashing. On the flip side, it's just "but this works for me and I love it". Personal taste is something that can't be used to determine quality. It only extends to the individual.

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    Re: The Great Disconnect Between the Diablo Universe and Diablo 3 the game.

    Lore is not personal taste. At least not fully.


    Terrible, childish and cheesey dialogue is universal. It's like saying that storylines in porn are a matter of taste, and aren't necessarily terrible.

    D3's story is shameful to the Blizzard name. Stories in Blizz games have historically been quite strong, I mean there are several books for each universe. I doubt anyone will be buying any more Diablo books. I know I won't.

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    Re: The Great Disconnect Between the Diablo Universe and Diablo 3 the game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sass View Post
    Personal taste is something that can't be used to determine quality. It only extends to the individual.
    Sass, it's impossible to disagree with "de gustibus" logic, however, the path of extreme relativism inevitably leads to a total lack of standards, and a lack of standards inevitably leads to things which are generally considered lacking in quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azzure View Post
    D3's story is shameful to the Blizzard name. Stories in Blizz games have historically been quite strong, I mean there are several books for each universe. I doubt anyone will be buying any more Diablo books. I know I won't.
    Im tbh quite surprised that the bad story is such a big deal for people in this game. Sure, a game with bad mechanics and good story will sometimes be worth it to play through just because of the story. But for most of the games I've played the story is crap, Blizzard games included.
    I do agree that this story may even be more awful than in many other games but I'm not playing the game for the story and do not really care. I more criticize the game for boring legendaries (and few even useful), 90% of all skills still being worthless, low monster density and much slower patching than I would've expected (I seriously think that all useless skills should've gotten some sort of buff after 8 months, to at least bring them a bit closer to usefulness)

    Guess we all care about different elements

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    Re: The Great Disconnect Between the Diablo Universe and Diablo 3 the game.

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyTheFluffer View Post
    Sass, it's impossible to disagree with "de gustibus" logic, however, the path of extreme relativism inevitably leads to a total lack of standards, and a lack of standards inevitably leads to things which are generally considered lacking in quality.
    Agreed. That isn't what's happening here though. Diablo 3 was put up to standards, and it passed. It wasn't person A's standards, so person A feels a disjunction and rejects it. Person B could easily love the game, and fit the same standards. Person C can acknowledge the bad, but out weigh it by pros and be satisfied with the game.

    There is no "total lack of standards" here. It's "I don't like, so everyone else is wrong". That inevitably leads to the complaints thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sass View Post
    Agreed. That isn't what's happening here though. Diablo 3 was put up to standards, and it passed. It wasn't person A's standards, so person A feels a disjunction and rejects it. Person B could easily love the game, and fit the same standards. Person C can acknowledge the bad, but out weigh it by pros and be satisfied with the game.

    There is no "total lack of standards" here. It's "I don't like, so everyone else is wrong". That inevitably leads to the complaints thread.
    Sass, if you had to guess the percentages of Person A, B and C. What would your guess be?

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    Re: The Great Disconnect Between the Diablo Universe and Diablo 3 the game.

    Quote Originally Posted by windstriker View Post
    Im tbh quite surprised that the bad story is such a big deal for people in this game. Sure, a game with bad mechanics and good story will sometimes be worth it to play through just because of the story. But for most of the games I've played the story is crap, Blizzard games included.
    I do agree that this story may even be more awful than in many other games but I'm not playing the game for the story and do not really care. I more criticize the game for boring legendaries (and few even useful), 90% of all skills still being worthless, low monster density and much slower patching than I would've expected (I seriously think that all useless skills should've gotten some sort of buff after 8 months, to at least bring them a bit closer to usefulness)

    Guess we all care about different elements
    I wouldn't care if the story was not pushed in my face, and literary be said as main reason why there is no act-swapping. (They said it would destroy the flowing feeling of completing each act (thus thinking storymode) when farming).

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    Re: The Great Disconnect Between the Diablo Universe and Diablo 3 the game.

    Quote Originally Posted by windstriker View Post
    Im tbh quite surprised that the bad story is such a big deal for people in this game. Sure, a game with bad mechanics and good story will sometimes be worth it to play through just because of the story. But for most of the games I've played the story is crap, Blizzard games included.
    I do agree that this story may even be more awful than in many other games but I'm not playing the game for the story and do not really care. I more criticize the game for boring legendaries (and few even useful), 90% of all skills still being worthless, low monster density and much slower patching than I would've expected (I seriously think that all useless skills should've gotten some sort of buff after 8 months, to at least bring them a bit closer to usefulness)

    Guess we all care about different elements
    I have a "theory" to explain this. Most people don't care about the lore actually. However, in the end, a good story is a always "plus" in any game. When you rate a game, the story might be the difference between 9 and 10 stars for those people. The problem that we have here in Diablo 3 is that the gameplay fell short in people's expectations and when you were mentaly rating the game, you expected that 1 point to save it from a 6 to 7, but then even that one point wasn't earned. That's why people started to care more about it, because "not even that" was good. You start to pay attention to other things you usually don't because you want it to be good, but it just isn't.

    If the Diablo 3 gameplay was "amazing", a crappy story wouldn't matter so much to those who initally don't care about it.

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