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    Re: Skills thread

    Quote Originally Posted by BobCox2 View Post
    A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.

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    We could make an "are you a better human than Hitler?" game out of that.

    Obviously, specialization of some kind is important because there's far more of the important knowledge than a human can learn in his life. As long as a society has a broad selection of specialists, it's fine. I think the US can theoretically produce everything and among those ~10 countries which can achieve that as well, they actually produce the greatest variety of things.
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    But Bob, someone who is spread out doing all those things will suck HAR D at all of them, comparatively. That's RAH backwards with a D. Also, one must maintain skills or loose them. As we age, we best retain abilities that have huge neural networks devoted to them through years of daily practice.

    Quote Originally Posted by jmervyn View Post
    When your society is completely interdependent and reliant upon others fulfilling their roles, you achieve maximum productivity but also increasing vulnerability. I can neither shoe a horse nor fix an engine, but if I can't trade my military or IT skills because the markets are reduced to barter, what good are the IT skills?

    It might be a good Masters' thesis to determine which is more actually vulnerable - a cohesive inter-dependent society, or a cohesive independent society. My money's on the latter.
    I heard this argument before, and to be honest, I don't have much to counter it. I'm a firm believer in the 10,000 hour rule, people following their passion or dream job according to their "gift" or brain structure, and quality over quantity. Any other jobs are interference and a sacrifice. I'm quite idealist.

    And let me ask you this: Suppose you need heart surgery. Do you want a doc who dabbles a bit in the sciences along with 20 other unrelated hobbies Bob mentioned, or will you want the guy who shines like a god in the OR and has display cases of golden scalpels and stuff he's collected over his lifetime of saving lives full-time?

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    Re: Skills thread

    A civilisation based squarely on the writings of RAH ... well, it's going to have problems.

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    Re: Skills thread

    Quote Originally Posted by stillman View Post
    But Bob, someone who is spread out doing all those things will suck HAR D at all of them, comparatively. That's RAH backwards with a D.
    This is patently false. Louis L'Amour had a wide-ranging career yet pretending he "sucked" at them would be outright silly. Most Army officers, particularly Infantry officers, have to be a "Jack of all Trades".
    Quote Originally Posted by stillman View Post
    I heard this argument before, and to be honest, I don't have much to counter it.
    That's because it can't be "countered".
    Quote Originally Posted by stillman View Post
    I'm a firm believer in the 10,000 hour rule, people following their passion or dream job according to their "gift" or brain structure, and quality over quantity. Any other jobs are interference and a sacrifice. I'm quite idealist.
    You're arguing at cross-purposes, to an extent. I'm not decrying specialization, but rather OVER-specialization. The point at which individuals lose or outsource basic life skills is the point at which it risks collapse and ruin. America went there no later than the 1970's.
    Quote Originally Posted by stillman View Post
    And let me ask you this: Suppose you need heart surgery. Do you want a doc who dabbles a bit in the sciences along with 20 other unrelated hobbies Bob mentioned, or will you want the guy who shines like a god in the OR and has display cases of golden scalpels and stuff he's collected over his lifetime of saving lives full-time?
    Silly question, so I'll pose a similarly silly one - suppose you've crashed on the side of the road, and one of your loved ones was injured and is bleeding to death. Do you want your godly golden-scalpeled heart surgeon, who has not practiced any other real-life medical skills outside of the operating room in over 20 years (since he slept through his ER internship), or do you want a good GP, pediatrician, EMT, or particularly a skilled Veterinarian?

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    Ha ha. Smart guys like me don't drive, jmervyn. That would be trusting a lot of disgruntled people in a crumbling infrastructure driving cars rigged to disintegrate. Yeah, this is kind of silly. But, I don't think extreme specialization leads to losing one's "basic life skills". If trouble arises, it's easy to pick up new skills if they're needed. Humans are very adaptable.

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    Re: Skills thread

    Humans are adaptable. "People" aren't. Discuss.

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    Re: Skills thread

    Quote Originally Posted by lozhinge the unhinged View Post
    a civilisation based squarely on the writings of rah ... Well, it's going to have problems.
    lol - talk to your ancestors.

    Quote Originally Posted by LozHinge the Unhinged View Post
    Humans are adaptable. "People" aren't. Discuss.
    People are Humans, Humans out compete others by adapting the environment, rather than themselves.

    But the biological revolution is coming.

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    Re: Skills thread

    Benjamin Franklin was a jack of all trades. Worked out pretty well for him.

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    Re: Skills thread

    Quote Originally Posted by stillman View Post
    Ha ha. Smart guys like me don't drive, jmervyn.
    Who said anything about driving? I said you CRASHED...
    Quote Originally Posted by stillman View Post
    But, I don't think extreme specialization leads to losing one's "basic life skills".
    You're so wrong, you don't even grasp how wrong you are.

    Case in point: I'm a man's man, yet I had extreme difficulty (illegally) killing a raccoon by hand, skinning it, and then completely failed trying to cure the hide. If you suddenly have the conveniences of society pulled out from under you, are you able to sustain yourself without resorting to theft or cannibalism? I'd guess that 75% of my neighbors and 100% of the residents of NYC aren't.

    I'm not talking about Bear Grylls "Man versus Wild" either; I'm talking about basic skills required for an agrarian economic environment. Would you be able to safely kill, strip, and disembowel poultry? Do you know when & how to acquire safe water? Are you familiar with primitive food safety?
    Quote Originally Posted by stillman View Post
    If trouble arises, it's easy to pick up new skills if they're needed. Humans are very adaptable.
    Rather, humans are very capable of dying stupidly. It's not at all easy to pick up new skills, nor do 90% of humans adapt very well - only the other 10% are as adaptable as you describe and are of the category referred to as "survivors" (and I'm enough of a survivor that I won't log into the site to take the quiz).

    Quote Originally Posted by BobCox2 View Post
    But the biological revolution is coming.
    You sure you're not thinking of the Singularity? I'll larf my arse off at the first 'jacked' person who runs out of batteries...


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    Re: Skills thread

    Quote Originally Posted by jmervyn View Post
    You sure you're not thinking of the Singularity? I'll larf my arse off at the first 'jacked' person who runs out of batteries...
    We can Clone, we have mapped the human DNA.
    FACTS both happened in my and your lifetime (based on what I know of you)
    lots of other clues if you study science not religion.
    Do you really doubt it?

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