Cliche Grief Zealot Build?

[Clervis]

For comparisons sake, I'm trying to figure out the physical damage of your run-of-the-mill PvM zealot. What gear/skills do they use? This is what I'm thinking:

20 Fanat
20 Zeal
20 Sacrifice

Grief PB
Fort
Phoenix
Guillame's
Highlords
Ravenfrost
Dual Leech Ring
Drac's
String/Verdungo's
Goreriders
Act 2 Holy Freeze Merc w/ ethereal Tomb Reaver

Does that sound about right? Again, I'm not building one, just trying to get a solid number on their damage output.

[zaphodbrx]

Replace dracs with LOH.

Merc is wrong, it is might merc with reapers, forti/treachery, leech helm ( Tals/Vgaze/Andy ).

Skills are 5-10 in holy shield if you want block, remaining in Blessed aim/vigor/whatever.

Otherwise yeah that's right. Unless you want to go 2H options.

[Clervis]

Ok, I figured as much for most of those. So we're talking about +8 skills with Andys, Torch, Anni, and CtA. So the numbers should then look like this:

Base Damage
431-435
Multiplier
1 + 1.32 [Str bonus] + 5.09 [Fanat] + 3.84 [Zeal/Sac] + 2.5 [lvl 22 Might] ( + 3.5 [LotH] )
= 13.75 (17.25 to demons)
* 1.72 [DS]
Physical Damage per Hit
10,240 (12,847 to demons)

Of course, this is before enemy physical resists, Decrepify, or crushing blow. That look right?

[zaphodbrx]

No, that looks wrong.

My LCS damage with eDeath CS/eBoTD WP multiplied with deadly strike factor is somewhere in the region of 20k per hit. I don't think grief is so far behind.

Edit: It seems you forgot the off weapon ED from Fortitude and Phoenix, and the 'to demons' damage of grief. Also, you can have either G-face or Andy, not both.

[Clervis]

Oh, right, right, right. Woops.

Base Damage
431-435
Multiplier
1 + 1.32 [Str bonus] + 5.09 [Fanat] + 3.84 [Zeal/Sac] + 2.5 [lvl 22 Might] + 3 [Fort] + 4 [Phoenix] ( + 3.5 [LotH] )
= 20.75 (24.25 to demons)
* 1.72 [DS]
Physical Damage per Hit
15,454 (18,060 to demons)

[zaphodbrx]

Is that with +8 skills? I said you couldn't have an Andy's if you already have a Guillame's. Also, you still didn't consider +demon damage from grief. It bothers me that you considered perfect rolls on everything. Maybe take average rolls? Also, 132 str is kind of low for a zealot. You don't need that many vita points for SC. My 2H zealer currently has 203 str points and that's without torch/anni bonuses.

[Clervis]

Yes, +8 skills. Drop the Guillame's for Andy's, like you suggested. Oh, and I guess you obviously right on the +demon damage from Grief. I chose perfect rolls, only because I was just going to compare ideal endgame of one build to another, but average could be more appropriate. And 132 str is just enough for the gear, a 2H probably needs a little more just for req's right? Any other complaints, bra? Oh, what's the setup on the 1h Zealot you mentioned earlier?

[zaphodbrx]

No, I suggested dropping Andy's for Guillame. Andy's is for the merc. G-face has extra CB and DS.
The 2H actually only needs 115 str. I put the extra points there cause I didn't need so much vit ( cta switch ).

[Clervis]

Alright, let's try this again. This time I'm going to adjust for average rolls, guillames, other damage sources, clvl 95, and 200 str, but I'll continue to leave jewels & charms out of the mix (other than anni/torch).

Base Damage
401-405
Multiplier
1 + 2.0 [Str bonus] + 4.75 [Fanat] + 3.72 [Zeal/Sac] + 2.5 [lvl 22 Might] + 3 [Fort] + 3.75 [Phoenix] ( + 5.28 [LotH/Grief] )
= 8350.16 (10,478 to demons)
Deadly Strike
* 1.85 [DS]
=15,447.8 (19,384.3 to demons)
In addition, 50% CB, 315 Poison over .4 seconds, 10% OW, 1-30 Lightning Damage, 5-30 Fire Damage, 15-45 Cold Damage, 40% ctc Lvl 22 Firestorm, 5% ctc Lvl 10 Firestorm, & 10% ctc Lvl 3 Holy Bolt.

[zaphodbrx]

Looks about right now.
Where did you get '5% ctc Lvl 10 Firestorm' ?