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    Re: Voting is the best revenge! (Election results 2012)

    Quote Originally Posted by LozHinge the Unhinged View Post
    Just going to dive in here, briefly. Not sure who "Babs Boxer" is, nor "Stephanopolous", but you don't see Obama defending "infanticide" because there is no "infanticide" issue to defend.
    Barbara Boxer, one of the most powerful Democrats in the Senate. George Stephanopolous, primary n00z anchor for ABC and notable of the Clinton administration. Barack Obama, previous junior Senator from Illinois and now President of the United States. Sure there is.
    Quote Originally Posted by LozHinge the Unhinged View Post
    Defending yourself from hysterical frothing at the mouth is unnecessary and frankly, counter-productive. HTH.
    Then again, denouncing my valid claims out-of-hand makes you look worse than ill informed. I'll insert Steve here-
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevinator View Post
    Jmerv is taking this statement out of context.
    Just like the Left took Akin's comment out of context? Sorry, my little fascist buddy, but Babs meant what she said and her clumsy attempts to dissemble later were skewered by someone as milquetoast as George feckin Will (see above citation). She didn't commit a gaffe or faux pas; THAT IS HER POSITION. In point of fact, you illustrate my point perfectly. Boxer and Obama want dead babies under the aegis of wummin's rights, and don't have to say boo about it. There's others (Feingold, Lautenberg) of the same opinion. Your side clearly SUPPORTS infanticide in addition to abortion, but my side is the only one that gets tortured on the rack about how outlandish their views are (hence George's question).
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevinator View Post
    It was clearly a mistatement. because of this mistatement Jmerv continues to refer to abortion as infantcide, mostly because he's stubborn. He knows he's being purposefully inflamatory.
    Well, I suppose so; the truth has now become "purposefully inflammatory". There was no misstatement involved, unless you are so far beyond the realm of honesty that there's no point in discussion; Babs said “I think when you bring your baby home,” “the baby belongs to your family and has rights.” (I can't verify if that's what your YouTube citation is).

    A gaffe is when a politician is caught telling the truth; you may think you can assuage this image by pretending that "full term abortion" is a meaningful concept regarding the development of the baby, but these Democrats have supported killing of the child AFTER its birth. I suspect you're also rethinking your support for the First Amendment and other freedoms of speech like your colleagues?

    (now back to sequence)
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevinator View Post
    I think it's too hard to come here.
    Sure. Why not solve that, rather than always insist on "comprehensive"? Reason - the Progressives like things the way they are.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevinator View Post
    What's crazy is deciding to build massive electricfied fences and sending predator drones to shoot people who try to come here. that's crazy.
    Citations, please?
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevinator View Post
    I'd love to know how NOT allowing them to have a path to citizenship, and trying to kill them as they come here is pro-immigrant.
    First, why must we reward lawbreakers and punish law-keepers? Second, you've made two references to trying to kill illegals, but I have no information to review that would indicate that is anything but more Progressive lies. Perhaps you're claiming that when U.S. Border Patrol agents are assassinated, they're really attempting to slaughter wetbacks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevinator View Post
    The difference is no one took ms. boxer's comments seriously because her actual position is abortions should be allowed until the baby is born.
    Not to beat your face in, but they did, it is not, and she thinks that by refusing to discuss it people will forget.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevinator View Post
    Even if the press carried it, she'd just say that's not what I meant and it would be over.
    Again, this is exactly what happened with Akin, but you'd want him gutted, quartered, and the limbs put on pikes. Hypocrisy much?
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevinator View Post
    she was just having an extreme position (that I doubt she would come back and defend, since it's not REALLY her stance).
    Her extreme position is shared by the Democrat Party; NO limit on abortion.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevinator View Post
    Plus her extreme position didn't involve torturing women who got raped. If you can't see why it's different I can't explain it much better than that.
    So, she supports slaughter of babies under any circumstances, but the far more evil view is to <NOT> support slaughter of any baby under any circumstance? See, I explained it far better than you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevinator View Post
    Similar, but at very different levels.
    The mind boggles. How often is a woman impregnated when raped, and how often has someone (one of your Inquisition theocrats, for example) demanded that it be illegal to kill that child prior to infancy? You're obviously one of the "punished with a baby" crowd, but the frequency is so grotesquely different so as to expose your hypocrisy to any rational viewer.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevinator View Post
    I'm not sure what that means, or what you're talking about.
    Romney was going to have a queer chief of staff. He caved to a couple of haters early on.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevinator View Post
    A more conservative candidate would have got whooped even worse. I think there's a lesson in there.
    I love how all the people on the fascist Left are brimming with advice on how if we run even MORE Progressive candidates, and destroy any semblance of difference between the parties, we might somehow get table scraps. There's no way a GOP candidate wins the Presidency from now on. The GOP has ceased to be an effective opposition party, and I'm confident you think that's a good thing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevinator View Post
    The "tea party" or what remains of what was once a good movement, went and put up a bunch of right wing nut jobs where moderate republicans would have won. They lost. Handily. Even with the money and the attack ads. It didn't fool anyone.
    See, your belief in "right wing nut jobs" is indistinguishable from your claims about the TEA party. ANYONE who isn't willing to tube the nation in order to pass out Obamaphone qualifies.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevinator View Post
    The GOP needs to occupy the political space near the middle, because guess what, the country is a center right country. so get back there. all this craziness is destroying the party.
    Hello, McFly? THE COUNTRY IS NO LONGER A CENTER RIGHT COUNTRY. That's what the election proved. If it were, impeachment would already have been underway on one of the two examples of “High Crimes and Misdemeanors” I provided. You can pretend it's only center Left, but obviously that's meaningless; if someone has a pretense of being on the right but still demands their free stuff, they're not on the right for all intents and purposes. That's why I throw labels at you on a personal sense; you claim Libertarian sensibility but don't have them in a meaningful way.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevinator View Post
    That's because neither Romney nor Obama represent what the original tea partiers were about. It was about fiscal responsiblity, not kooky religiousness. It wasn't until bachman and her ilk came and co-opted the Tea party that it changed into something different. How Tea party can you be if you can't even produce a budget that adds up? Neither should have gotten the tea party vote in my mind.
    I'm not good with a quick Photoshop, or I would gin up one of the pics of Gene Wilder from Willy Wonka saying, "Tell me about your vast experience with the TEA Party". Aside from the moral aspect of conservativism, the TEA Party never ceased being about fiscal responsibility. Your crowd are the folks that claim otherwise. Plus, "RAAACISSSISSSSTTTTT!!!!" AKA Ron Paul viewpoints (Benghazi apparently was a CIA "black site", like the ones THE WON didn't have).
    Quote Originally Posted by Glurin View Post
    Probably not enough to get it really growing again, but a damn sight better than the so called "recovery" we've got going on right now
    Speaking of traitors and RAAACISSSTTSTTTS!!!... the list so far.

    I'm sure that's just between the election and the 8th of November. Think Steve & Co. will ever own that? I'd not hold my breath.
    Quote Originally Posted by Glurin View Post
    By the way, just out of curiosity, would it change anyone's opinions on the election at all if it turned out that there were quite a number of precincts in key states that had Obama winning unanimously? As in, Romney got 0 votes. Not zero percent of the votes. Zero votes, total. That's "NADA". "ZIP". "ZERO". "ZILCH".
    The point was, the old saying about "we have to win big so they can't cheat" was a given. Allen West is still trying to fight the fraud that pushed him out of office, but "the courts" have already rejected his demand to safeguard evidence. In other words, it was no accident that the TEA party types were decimated; they're a threat. To believe that ACORN metastacising somehow meant that Democrat voter fraud would cease to exist is abject stupidity.

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    Re: Voting is the best revenge! (Election results 2012)

    Note - I can't edit for some reason; I should have been clear when throwing around the label "fascist" that I'm making specific reference to the root of the term, as well as the Left's expectation that "we're all in this together" now, having been the a violent wad of malcontents over the past 12 years.

    Kind of like Joe's "skin in the game" claim; you can't win if we don't play.


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    Re: Voting is the best revenge! (Election results 2012)

    She probably isn't an US citizen, else she would have said "WE mortgaged it"

    A popular way to get rid of debts always was to ignore or get rid of the debtor. Who do the US owe money? China: May not work. Arabs: Their oil will be depleted at some time, so why pay when it has come that far? Europe: Somehow inbetween, they can do the same with debts made in the US.
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    Re: Voting is the best revenge! (Election results 2012)

    Quote Originally Posted by krischan View Post
    She probably isn't an US citizen, else she would have said "WE mortgaged it"
    The character is Japanese, despite the red hair. More to the point, she's a fierce Libertarian, where the younger sister (with the tat) is a Marxism loving commie who's erstwhile Russian boyfriend dances around the results of the communism she desires so.
    Quote Originally Posted by krischan View Post
    A popular way to get rid of debts always was to ignore or get rid of the debtor. Who do the US owe money?
    The Chinese apparently owe a boatload of WW2 debt that the current gov't ignores, so in essence they're unable to call in the markers lest we do the same. However, you missed what I said earlier about "monetizing" - 70% of the money funding future debt is created by Bernanke moving cash from one of his pockets to another.

    A recipe for success, that.

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    Re: Voting is the best revenge! (Election results 2012)

    Of course, there's a difference in what somebody deserves and what he actually gets. Apart from that, the first is a matter of opinion and China probably thinks that it evens out with the US support of the previous system and in particular the issue of Taiwan. At least it serves as a justification. If the US allow them to annex it, they might acknowledge the efforts of the US, after a likewise long amount of time

    China will never give up its claims on Taiwan, not even after hundreds of years, and I guess that China has the longer breath in this regard. Sooner or later they will probably have something which is of such a great value to the US that they may give up Taiwan for it.
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    Re: Voting is the best revenge! (Election results 2012)

    @ JM:

    Pardon the interruption, but I'd like to briefly back up to the OP. It's been bothering me all week but I decided to hold back on bringing it up until you'd had some time to reflect:

    Quote Originally Posted by jmervyn View Post
    Personally, I think that while it may not be a landslide, Rombot will secure a substantial victory, perhaps even one resounding enough to even make the Socialists in charge of the Democrat Party lick their wounds for a month or two.
    I recall reading this probably less than 20 minutes after you posted it and I have to admit I found your prediction to be absolutely crazy. There was no evidence that Mitt was going to squeak through never mind pick up a "substantial" win. By the end of the evening on election night it became clear to me that it wasn't just you; a LOT of conservatives - including Romney's own team - appeared to be completely shellshocked that they lost (and not by an insignificant margin either).

    I'm curious to know what sources you based that prediction on (be it blogs, word of mouth, specific polls, pundits, "gut feeling", etc). I'd also like to know if you're going to trust these sources in the future.

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    Re: Voting is the best revenge! (Election results 2012)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dredd View Post
    @ JM:

    Pardon the interruption, but I'd like to briefly back up to the OP. It's been bothering me all week but I decided to hold back on bringing it up until you'd had some time to reflect:
    Not at all. Simply put, it speaks to my (and others') failure to grasp the situation.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dredd View Post
    I recall reading this probably less than 20 minutes after you posted it and I have to admit I found your prediction to be absolutely crazy. There was no evidence that Mitt was going to squeak through never mind pick up a "substantial" win. By the end of the evening on election night it became clear to me that it wasn't just you; a LOT of conservatives - including Romney's own team - appeared to be completely shellshocked that they lost (and not by an insignificant margin either).
    We should be clear; I was considering the popular vote rather than the electoral college. I suspect that was what other conservatives were considering as well; the electoral college machinations are sufficiently obscure so as to defy easy discussion. As I understand it, some states use popular vote expectations, others use various regional distributions, and some even allow the members to just go nuts. Bear in mind, though, that while the "stunning" victory was in the electoral college, the popular vote, as currently indicated, is still a difference of 3,292,382. Despite blatant fraud, that's enough to be undeniable.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dredd View Post
    I'm curious to know what sources you based that prediction on (be it blogs, word of mouth, specific polls, pundits, "gut feeling", etc). I'd also like to know if you're going to trust these sources in the future.
    A majority amount was 'gut feeling'. Conservatives swept in 2010, and both anger at and disappointment with the administration has done nothing but grow since then. My instinct was that because Obama was using heavily loaded polling (basing voter turnout on 2008 rather than 2010) that the actual results were going to blow him out of the water - they were using samples like D+12 in order to report Obama victory margins of a couple of percentage points. More than that, the "Independent" voters were indicated to have mostly swung towards Romney:



    When the dust settled, however, not only was there the loss, but many TEA Party conservatives or people who benefited from that wave <also> were out of a job. THAT's why I'm so disappointed; the loss/win majority in no small part was due to turnout - in other words, there are numerically fewer serious Libertarian/Conservatives and greater numbers of leech-minded and moron voters. As Ace put it,
    "Among the reasons I'm despondent about the election is that the media won. They won big. Their outrageous slant to the Democratic/liberal/progressive/leftist side won an election, and they're not paying a price for it."

    I don't find much anger in my soul at leech-minded voters. It's hard to do the right thing when you're essentially choosing between life on welfare and life having to chase menial labour jobs.

    I <DO> find anger at moron voters. There are brain-dead types out there who seriously believe that Romney intended to make abortion illegal, that he was Snydely Whiplash, &c. &c. These "low information" voters are the group that Obama used to gain victory, and I find it appalling that there were such numbers to be found. I truly did not believe that people could be quite as stupid as the voting populace obviously is.

    • Hurricane Sandy's aftermath is not substantially different from that of Irene when considering scale; there are 110 deaths and hundreds of thousands still without power, while the Gov't response has been grotesquely managed - yet Obama is seen as doing nicely from the result. Heckuva job, Bloomie.
    • Benghazi is potentially the most damaging scandal in American history. Nobody died in Watergate; Obama apparently sat idly and allowed terrorists to slaughter four Americans including the ambassador, telling rescuers to "Stand Down", then lied his filthy arse off multiple times to pretend otherwise.
    • There's no legitimate economic plan. Obama claimed he would offer 3:1 tax cuts vs. tax raises, but the reality of his plan is nearly 1:4. Even if you pretend the "fiscal cliff" won't matter, as the Dems do, the reality of the looming U.S. economic situation is Armageddon-quality.
    • Obama's cronies are a stunning passel of crooks and looters.
    • I'm not even mentioning our amateur terrorist in charge of the DoJ and the Fast & Furious scandal.


    Most of my other information has been Libertarian-minded/conservative blogs or aggragators, who are equally distraught. Ace of Spades, Patterico, HotAir, Daily Caller - all of them were generally reinforcing my gut. I recall one opinion piece quoting a voter - "Romney wasn't my first, second, or third choice, but I'd crawl over broken glass to vote for him". That was my view; I couldn't believe that people would be so ignorant of how bad things are becoming that they would pull the handle for THE WON.

    However, we can see the future. It's right around the corner. Yes, I'll continue to trust my "gut", because I didn't think Romney was going to be the Second Coming by any stretch. Second terms are practically never positive (Reagan had Iran-Contra) but even if we don't manage to slide into the abyss (and I believe we shall), we'll still be suffering from Obama's additional "flexibility" in 2016 as well as from last term's "fundamental transformation".

    Moreover, I truly don't believe that we're going to see a return to bipartisan politics in my lifetime; the special-interest loading, blatant and systemic voter fraud, and stultification of demographic politics has pretty much guaranteed that the barnacles like McCain won't be pushed out of office by the TEA party types, and that spectacular liars and cretins like Warren can eliminate moderates.

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    Thanks for clearing that up, Do you find it strange the Tea party and morons are calling for succession etc and that so many in the conservative camps seem to think all hope is lost 4 years from now?

    Perhaps they should give those on the other side some rope. . .

    The response I hear to this stuff is I need the Republicans to compromise or next election (for congress) they are out.

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    Re: Voting is the best revenge! (Election results 2012)

    Another fun-fact for the election: House Democrats actually got more total votes than House Republicans. Over half the people in the country voted for Democrat House Representatives, but got WAY more than half the seats filled with Republicans. Gerrymandering much?

    Oh, and how many times do Republicans have to be wrong on practically EVERY PREDICTION THEY MAKE before people stop listening to their predictions?

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    Re: Voting is the best revenge! (Election results 2012)

    Quote Originally Posted by BobCox2 View Post
    Thanks for clearing that up, Do you find it strange the Tea party and morons are calling for succession etc and that so many in the conservative camps seem to think all hope is lost 4 years from now?

    Perhaps they should give those on the other side some rope. . .

    The response I hear to this stuff is I need the Republicans to compromise or next election (for congress) they are out.
    They've got way too much rope already. They did hang themselves with it, but apparently it somehow just made them taller.

    The secession thing is a little bit interesting though. For starters, as far as this administration is concerned, the petitions are basically going to be a compilation of people to add to the terror watch or black bag list. Even so, it seems to me that with so many of them and apparently with several having more than enough signatures to reach the president, it's kind of a small wake up call that he's going down a rather ugly road. I mean, there's always somebody out there starting a petition for secession after an election, but I don't recall it hitting all 50 states plus the number of signatures that have been reported on some of them.

    But then of course you get down to whether it's a symbolic gesture or the unlikely event of people actually doing it. Now, you've got a lot of prominent people, including staunch conservatives, saying that you can't secede from the union. They say it's illegal and that the matter was settled during the Civil War yada yada. Frankly, IMO, such statements are no different from dictators who say it's illegal to leave their country. But when all is said and done, deciding to leave is one right that cannot ever be taken away. You can make it illegal, you can threaten, you can do all sorts of things to make people too scared to go through it it. But when the situation gets to that point, whoever is in charge really has two choices and only two choices. First, let them leave peacefully. Second, kill them. Unfortunately, most choose the latter, and in the case of States seceding from the U.S., it would mean civil war.

    On the whole, the fact that it would lead to civil war might be a good thing. It ensures that the States are deadly serious in their decision, and that they aren't leaving over some mundane issue.

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