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    Re: Diablo3 really seems a better game than Torchlight 2

    Quote Originally Posted by yovargas View Post
    Good lord I hate this kind of mindset. Jesus.
    Almost everyone has that mindset. I don't know anybody who didn't have a MF sorc or at least barbarian in D2. Barb is the MF sorc of D3.

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    Re: Diablo3 really seems a better game than Torchlight 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Karpalo View Post
    Almost everyone has that mindset. I don't know anybody who didn't have a MF sorc or at least barbarian in D2. Barb is the MF sorc of D3.
    Most people don't spend time on forums and websites that crunch maximum efficiency numbers. Most people just do whatever seems fun at the time. Most people didn't stick around D2 for years doing dozens and dozens of pointless Baal runs. Most people found that really boring and moved on to other stuff. But yes, I suppose of the small niche of hardcore supernerds that remained years later sticking around to grind D2's non-existant endgame for eternity, almost everyone probably did have an MF Sorc. Only the fact that they were nearly the only ones left so many years later made them seem like "most".

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    Re: Diablo3 really seems a better game than Torchlight 2

    In any game that stacks the odds against you you should expect to see people stacking the odds back in their favor as the norm.

    Drops suck? More emphasis on the best farmers.

    Enemies beat the **** out of you? More emphasis on the best enemy killers.

    Etc.

    In D2 the drops sucked horribly (yes, go ahead, cite your 9 kajillion MF cold sorcs that did 9 kajillion runs as if that's a counterpoint) so naturally gameplay followed the simple formula of make cold sorc/hammerdin, mass farm, start actually playing the game.

    In D3 the drops suck horribly and the enemies beat the **** out of you. Enter the Barbs, because they have mobility (the reason Sorcs were dominant before) and also survivability.

    Really, this is painfully basic and the only thing that isn't obvious is why there are people that wouldn't expect it as normal behavior.

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    Re: Diablo3 really seems a better game than Torchlight 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven Hazani View Post
    Really, this is painfully basic and the only thing that isn't obvious is why there are people that wouldn't expect it as normal behavior.

    Because it's boring and most people play games for fun?

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    Re: Diablo3 really seems a better game than Torchlight 2

    Quote Originally Posted by yovargas View Post
    Because it's boring and most people play games for fun?
    Except in Blizzard-RPG-MMO-eSport land, where people play games because I AM THE BEST INTERNET WARRIOR THAT'S WHY.

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    Re: Diablo3 really seems a better game than Torchlight 2

    Quote Originally Posted by yovargas View Post
    Because it's boring and most people play games for fun?
    In these games, the fun comes from blitzing through everything. Why do you think people complained about D3 not being easy?

    Now how do you do that? The answer is not "playing a bad build", and since the good builds are usually miles ahead of the bad builds this makes the "choice" very obvious and easy.

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    Re: Diablo3 really seems a better game than Torchlight 2

    Quote Originally Posted by yovargas View Post
    Because it's boring and most people play games for fun?
    The thing is that getting gear and developing character is fun. That's kinda the whole point of the game. RPG's are practically heroin. Picking up a piece of nice loot gives you that much sought after dopamin fix.

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    Re: Diablo3 really seems a better game than Torchlight 2

    Which is pretty much what's wrong with Diablo fans. They kill monsters to get items, instead of getting items to kill monsters.

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    Re: Diablo3 really seems a better game than Torchlight 2

    Quote Originally Posted by yovargas View Post
    Which is pretty much what's wrong with Diablo fans. They kill monsters to get items, instead of getting items to kill monsters.
    Highly disagree. Many, if not most D2/D3 players get items to kill monsters.
    Whether those items come from monsters or some auction house is a personal choice. Blizzard lowered the drop rates so as to make the auction house a much more viable option and make $$$ in the process, something that could be considered highly unethical. Btw, the same choice was there in D2 as well with many online sites.

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    Diablo3 really seems a better game than Torchlight 2

    Those online sites weren't always there tho.

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