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    Wizard Best-in-Slot Items

    I think it's good to have a BiS thread I can bookmark and look up if I need to check items quickly when finding them or planning a purchase.
    I plan to concentrate on items who give the best unbuffed dps or overall best stat-budget. Of course this can change for different builds, but I'm planning to update this thread on a regular basis (and possibly for different builds). I'm not the best wizard in town, so feel free to add your own 2 cents.

    The following items are considered BiS. Rare items can of course be used, but right now you're more likely to find a legendary than a rare with comparable stats. Just take the max rolls on these as a reference point.
    As a general rule, you want items that have INT + CRIT CHANCE + CRIT DAMAGE + ATTACK SPEED on it.

    * Updated Sept. 21th 2012 *

    (First in list = highest potential for overall best rolls)

    Helm:

    1. Tal Rasha's Guise of Wisdom
    2. Mempo of Twilight Can get better rolls than Andy's if you're lucky
    3. Andariel's Visage Guaranteed CRIT and IAS


    Amulet:

    1. Tal Rasha's Allegiance


    Shoulders:

    1. Vile Ward Aside from high INT and ALL RES, not so special but at least they look cool.


    Chest:

    1. Tal Rasha's Relentless Pursuit Absolute BiS. No way around it.


    Gloves:
    Right now rares seem to be the absolute BiS for this slot. Look for 150+ INT, 8%+ CritChange, 50% CritDamage and 8-9% IAS

    Wrist:

    1. Lacuni Prowlers Guaranteed IAS and Movements speed. Look for additional INT and CritChance


    Rings:

    1. Zunimassa's Pox Zuni Ring and Boots are the preferred items to get our +130 Int bonus from this set.
    2. The second slot can be any rare ring with our standard stats. AFAIK other leg/set rings dont roll all 4 of our desired stats right now.
    3. Stone of Jordan Depending on the rolls, the dps gain won't reflect on your stats immediately. Still, the guaranteed 20-30% increased damage against Elites makes this ring a real killer.


    Belt:

    1. The Witching Hour Absolute BiS. Guaranteed INT, IAS and CRIT DAMAGE. You just need to get lucky with the other rolls


    Pants:


    1. Inna's Temperance A Monk/DH set? Of course, if you value dps over survivability! These pants always have the dex affix on them, so you'll want these to roll with Int and make sure IAS is at 9%. 1% Crit is not much, but it's nice to have, too!
    2. Depth Diggers Those pants back you up with with high all res and if you're lucky high INT and VIT. Guaranteed MF & GF. Rare pants are fine, too.


    Feet:

    1. Zunimassa's Trail Needed for our setbonus (if you're going for it).
    2. Otherwise you can use Ice Climbers if you get lucky rolls.

    Weapon:
    A good rare wand with 1200dps, 80-100% crit damage and socket will be the best right now, but they are harder to find than a needle in a hayball.

    1. Chantodo's Will Standard choice for most builds
    2. Echoing Fury If you don't need AP on crit (like when playing Archon builds) you should totally go for this weapon. Beastly.
    3. Slorak's Madness IMO a very good wand but looking at the AH it's very rare to get a good roll on the DPS. Many 800dps versions with otherwise perfect stats are often available on the AH for as low as 25mill (EU)!


    Source:

    1. Chantodo's Force
    2. Tal Rasha's Unwavering Glare Probably the coolest looking source in the game.
    3. Triumvirate Very nice source for Archon builds because of the increased Arcane damage.
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    Re: Wizard Best-in-Slot Items

    Good post. Gratz for the idea.

    From my side, I would say you are missing all resist items, those BiS you suggest wont give you ar enough i think, for any build. Just my opinion.

    Also regarding the chest, I see Tals is pointed like the best everywhere, but i have my doubt vs Zunimassas. The only issue with tals is the atack speed that can be easly accquired from other item, while the Zunis armor grants you all res, int, vit and armor, and its cheaper to get along the boots to get the +130 int bonus set than with the ring, since the price os the last one is over 100M, for half this price you can have both Zunis chest and boots.

    These days im trying to improve my gear and dont know whats better, tals armor or Zunis. What do you guys think about it?

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    Re: Wizard Best-in-Slot Items

    Quote Originally Posted by Tombat View Post
    From my side, I would say you are missing all resist items, those BiS you suggest wont give you ar enough i think, for any build. Just my opinion.
    When you have the amount of damage you'll get from this gear, all resist doesn't matter so much. You need some of course but you explode stuff so fast it never really has the chance to do much damage to you.

    Cost arguments aren't really relevant in a best-in-slot thread.

    As for tal's chest, again since we're talking best in slot, you'd probably pick up resist all as one of the random stats on the chest, which would simply make it better in every way than zuni (absurdly expensive with res all roll, but hey, BiS thread).

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    Re: Wizard Best-in-Slot Items

    Some suggestions:

    1.) Helm should be just Mempo of Twilight. Others might be comparable, but Mempo is clearly the helm with the highest potential.
    2.) Second ring could arguably be Stone of Jordan.
    3.) Chantodo's Will is honestly too low dps and has fire elemental damage, neither of which is desirable. Furthermore, it'll be lacking one of these 3 properties: lifesteal, socket, crit damage. Still a good weapon but hardly bis with those faults.
    4.) Echoing Fury is better, but it still suffers from being able to spawn only 2/3 very desired affixes. If you're going to go 1-hander, a rare is your best bet. The best I could come up with: 1134.9 dps, socket, 200 int, 3.0% life steal, 100% crit, socket.
    5.) Triumvirate is also a fair contender for bis source. The +18% possible elemental damage is easily worth more than the extra crit and attack speed the other sources can come up with, and goes a long way in making up for its lower damage range. Whether or not it beats a max'ed out chantodo's force depends on how much attack speed you have. If the rest of your gear is fully bis, then triumvirate wins actually.

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    Re: Wizard Best-in-Slot Items

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiadam View Post
    2.) Second ring could arguably be Stone of Jordan.
    I agree with this, the extra elite damage is quite substantial. Depending on your build (CM, CM/archon) 7% energy twister crit chance from it is super good too.

    3.) Chantodo's Will is honestly too low dps and has fire elemental damage, neither of which is desirable. Furthermore, it'll be lacking one of these 3 properties: lifesteal, socket, crit damage. Still a good weapon but hardly bis with those faults.
    Life steal is nice but not really needed. I don't get what your objection to fire damage is though. In this game damage is damage, monsters don't resist fire more than anything else. The only elemental type that isn't desirable is cold, because it comes with a lower damage range.

    a rare is your best bet. The best I could come up with: 1134.9 dps, socket, 200 int, 3.0% life steal, 100% crit, socket.
    A rare is probably going to end up being BiS, that's true. Whether life steal or life on hit is better depends on build. A CM build wants LoH, CM/archon wants life steal. Most other builds would want life steal also.

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    Re: Wizard Best-in-Slot Items

    Well, the thing is, at the gear levels we're talking about here, I'm making the assumption that archon, or even just normal disintegrate at this point, is the default spec you're running. CM is nice for the lesser geared characters but once you have about 80k unbuffed dps, there's no point in staying with that spec when you can farm more efficiently as archon. This bis list will put you roughly around 400k unbuffed dps.

    The problem with the normal cm spec is that it's melee dependant, and stuff runs around. Once you're at a high enough dps level, it becomes quite inefficient compared to a ranged spec. Once you swap though, life steal becomes a requirement. At the dps levels of this hypothetical character, you could probably kill yourself with a single stray spell against a reflect pack.


    The issue with elemental damage (and consequently, Chantodo's) is that it does not get multiplied by "adds x% of elemental damage" affixes. The above character is running from 14-38% additional elemental damage, and when your weapon has very little physical damage, most of the bonus is wasted. A 1000 dps pure physical weapon would beat the maximum possible chantodo with the exact same stats due to this weird functionality.


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    And finally, comparing loh vs lifesteal (lets assume 959 loh vs 3% lifesteal - max possible on 1h weapons) at 400k unbuffed dps:


    First, self-buffed dps will be roughly 55% higher so we're looking at 620k dps.


    Stormchaser will return 959*4*0.5 = 1918 hp/target hit/sec using loh.
    Stormchaser will return 360%/6*0.03*620k*0.2 = 2232 hp/target hit/sec using lifesteal.

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    Re: Wizard Best-in-Slot Items

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiadam View Post
    The issue with elemental damage (and consequently, Chantodo's) is that it does not get multiplied by "adds x% of elemental damage" affixes. The above character is running from 14-38% additional elemental damage, and when your weapon has very little physical damage, most of the bonus is wasted. A 1000 dps pure physical weapon would beat the maximum possible chantodo with the exact same stats due to this weird functionality.
    Do you have a link for this? From what I've read (and what I've seen) elemental damage affixes multiply base weapon damage, regardless of whether bonus damage is elemental or not.

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    Re: Wizard Best-in-Slot Items

    Quote Originally Posted by magicrectangle View Post
    Do you have a link for this? From what I've read (and what I've seen) elemental damage affixes multiply base weapon damage, regardless of whether bonus damage is elemental or not.
    Well, here's a blue quote describing how it ignores elemental damage on weapons: https://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6413025317#13

    But even that's not fully accurate, as it doesn't explain the 2x% min damage part. People who have lots more time than I do, however, have come out with surprisingly accurate wizard dps calculators that all utilize the 2x% min damage formula to calculate dps though.

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    Cool thread, and good info.

    I can confirm the elemental problem, I tested it myself and have screen shots of the DPS difference if anyone wants to see them.

    Is 400k dps reasonable? Even the top wizards only barely break 300k right now.

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    Re: Wizard Best-in-Slot Items

    I'm currently running this spec:
    http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/d...7/hero/1003912

    My dps appears rather low, a measly 92k despite force weapon/sparkflint. However, I have a SOJ (self-found) equipped, and that makes a very noticeable difference. I can burn down most elite packs in about 5s, although it takes longer if the pack separates out and I have to kill them one at a time. The best part is that I do a surprisingly amount of damage just using disintegrate, I can probably kill a pack in about 10s if I can dps full time.

    I can full clear A3 (I only skip the Barracks) in about 70m or so. I still do die 3-4 times a run, although often that is because of stupidity, like standing next to a molten explosion. Only certain phase beast groups give me some trouble. I just need to stack a bit more damage and defenses and I'll be set. No need to go to 200k dps unless you want to run a full group of leechers through A3.

    I picked up the weapon (note the high minimum damage) and source for a total of 15m, taking advantage of how the bonus to elemental damage works (based off minimum physical damage). I agree that life steal is mandatory for archon. I actually heal fighting reflect damage groups.

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