US citizens can own a gun?

[WhiteGiant]

It is idealistic, and I provided evidence as to why it doesn't work.

It would not lead to a cold war scenario. The US has had guns be legal for over 2 centuries now.

i didn't say that the 2nd amendment ultimately/ eventually leads to a cold war scenario among citizens ; i said that the logic you apply as justification would also justify a cold war scenario. I mean i'd rather be the guy with the bigger stick right ? because than i can defend myself and my loved ones from those who mean harm to me / loved ones ?

sure from the current state and availability of weapons it seems unrealistic ; but as i already said if you'll never start you'll never achieve it ; and i simply don't take "meh that seems to make too much effort" as an justification.

[acken]

Why is this thread not closed ?
Its D3 general discussion afaik.

I'll summarize how these goes usually:
US member: Guns are good for protection
Rest of the world: Guns kill people
US member: Its people that kill people, I could use a knife if I want to kill somebody. At least with a gun I can protect myself effectively.
Rest of the world: On a per citizen basis, US is one of the worst country when it comes to gun murder.
US member: Yeah but we're different, it's too late anyway
Rest of the world: Damn american are idiots and other nation bashing

That how it usualy is :O I'm against gun ownership by citizens but really a D3 forum isn't the place to discuss this.

[Dacar92]

Why is this thread not closed ?
Its D3 general discussion afaik.

I am OK with having a OT thread once in a while. It's helps to build community when we can discuss other things. As long as it doesn't get flamish or trollish we are good.

[buddah]

There are many "developed" countries where gun ownership is possible, so I'm not sure how anyone can be shocked by it. It's not an anomaly. Whether it's right or wrong is another question

[kestegs]

Why is this thread not closed ?
Its D3 general discussion afaik.

I'll summarize how these goes usually:
US member: Guns are good for protection
Rest of the world: Guns kill people
US member: Its people that kill people, I could use a knife if I want to kill somebody. At least with a gun I can protect myself effectively.
Rest of the world: On a per citizen basis, US is one of the worst country when it comes to gun murder.
US member: Yeah but we're different, it's too late anyway
Rest of the world: Damn american are idiots and other nation bashing

That how it usualy is :O I'm against gun ownership by citizens but really a D3 forum isn't the place to discuss this.

If Noodle or Dacar want to close or move it they can. Edit: there ya go.

It does pertain to D3 because the OP says he doesn't want to support a company that supports guns. Do people actually read the topic before posting?

[stillman]

If someone goes to a black market that's a whole different story. I just don't wish my money to end into someones hand who buys a gun. And as such I expect blizzard to make statements regarding this. Also for multiplayer I consider this very important: I do not wish to help someone who can kill me if he likes without even having to come close & look me into the eye.

I listen Stefan Molyneux quite a bit. Here is the philosophical problem with banning guns: "I don't want people pointing guns at others, so I want the government to have a whole bunch of guys to point guns at everyone to prevent this."

Now, you can say that police and military are special somehow, but they aren't. Police and military are human too. They snap from PTSD and can go on shooting rampages or kill their wife, etc. Your argument must be consistent, that no one can have any guns, period, not even police. Wearing a special costume doesn't magically make an officer's psychology different than the everyone else's.

I think you are making the right choice, though, by being conscientious about the issue and choosing carefully where your money goes. It might not work in the current system, but it's a nice start. IMO, the solution is to have communities with guns and others without guns, and everyone chooses where to live.

As for Blizzard, who knows, but even if they support gun ownership, they make games that are a good release of tension. Maybe this actually reduces shooting crime. Something to look into...

[acken]

Now, you can say that police and military are special somehow, but they aren't. Police and military are human too. They snap from PTSD and can go on shooting rampages or kill their wife, etc. Your argument must be consistent, that no one can have any guns, period, not even police. Wearing a special costume doesn't magically make an officer's psychology different than the everyone else's.

And such tragedy do happen in countries without gun ownership, and it happens also in countries with guns obviously. But ask yourself: would I rather have cops that own guns and can go mental or would I rather offer the option to go mental to the whole population ?
What you said in this paragraph is: "Since I cannot ban every gun, I should ban none". There is no logic into that. What's the point ? We should all have a right to go mad and kill our wife ?

IMO, the solution is to have communities with guns and others without guns, and everyone chooses where to live.

That would be a start but a rather weak one unless you close borders.

Obviously, banning guns doesn't stop all murders. If someone thinks this its stupidity at its finest.
But I strongly believe having the right to own a gun make more victims (accidents, some cold blood, bad reactions) than the would be number of victims by people being able to acquire a gun illegaly.

[Doppel]

wadafakisdi****?

How can anyone that has access to the outside world not know US citizens can own a gun?
But let's for a moment pretend you didn't knew, and don't want to indirectly support the cause of many deaths, what you gonna do, boycott every product that's made in the US? Good luck with that.

This thread is 100% pure troll.

(Pro-gun right arguments are utterly retarded btw. Most murders aren't planned but instead spontanious. Not having easy and direct access to a tool that is designed to kill human beings might prevent such murders from taking place, which is ****ing obvious when you look at the horrid murder rate in the US.)

[WhiteGiant]

I listen Stefan Molyneux quite a bit. Here is the philosophical problem with banning guns: "I don't want people pointing guns at others, so I want the government to have a whole bunch of guys to point guns at everyone to prevent this."

Now, you can say that police and military are special somehow, but they aren't. Police and military are human too. They snap from PTSD and can go on shooting rampages or kill their wife, etc. Your argument must be consistent, that no one can have any guns, period, not even police. Wearing a special costume doesn't magically make an officer's psychology different than the everyone else's.

I think you are making the right choice, though, by being conscientious about the issue and choosing carefully where your money goes. It might not work in the current system, but it's a nice start. IMO, the solution is to have communities with guns and others without guns, and everyone chooses where to live.

As for Blizzard, who knows, but even if they support gun ownership, they make games that are a good release of tension. Maybe this actually reduces shooting crime. Something to look into...

@ Stillman ; its true that you have to draw a line somewhere ; but killing someone with a gun ; the twitch of a finger really, is so easy and effective that it is also easy to detach oneself from what has been done and all it's implications. I don't think homicidal maniacs would be capable of killing 10-40 people in a frenzy if it wasn't so easy for them to do (physically and emotionally).

Lets face it Knifes are tools to be used for the household ; they can be used to stab someone ; but you'd need deliberate intentions, maliciousness AND a strong Will to take a life in that way. Fire Arms on the other hand have the sole purpose killing. easily and fast.

i don't know about policeman in the US but in Germany their qualification process also includes a psychological assessment.

i also don't think that it is the job of the police to deal with demented psychopaths as the first line of intervention ...

[Doppel]

In most countries it also is illigal to run around outside with a kitchen knife (or anything with a big enough blade).
But anyways, you are right, it is so incredibly easy to just pull a trigger, i can even imagine myself do it when i'm fearful of my life or out of my mind with anger, but to gut someone with a knife is a whole other story.