Zunimassa's Journey

**zaanus** · 10-08-2012, 04:17

Originally Posted by magicrectangle

Add a last step and you've got a working model. Buy item on RMAH for 250 dollars, sell for tons of gold on GAH, sell gold you get for more than 250 dollars.

Let's say you can sell 1m for 2.50. You buy an item for $250, which means it must sell for at least 115m on the GAH to break even if you want to keep the gold. If you want to transfer it back to gold, you have to give blizz/paypal their cut, which I think ends up being about 20% of real transaction totals - my cousin sold something for $200 and got $160 when it was all said and done.

So to break even on the reverse transaction, you have to be pretty damn sure the item will sell for 200m+ gold I think. There's not much room for error, because 1 or 2 items that go for only 100m instead of 200m and you're losing money. How many of those 1 billion gold items actually sell I wonder?

**psyadam** · 10-08-2012, 04:30

Originally Posted by zaanus

Let's say you can sell 1m for 2.50. You buy an item for $250, which means it must sell for at least 115m on the GAH to break even if you want to keep the gold. If you want to transfer it back to gold, you have to give blizz/paypal their cut, which I think ends up being about 20% of real transaction totals - my cousin sold something for $200 and got $160 when it was all said and done.

So to break even on the reverse transaction, you have to be pretty damn sure the item will sell for 200m+ gold I think. There's not much room for error, because 1 or 2 items that go for only 100m instead of 200m and you're losing money. How many of those 1 billion gold items actually sell I wonder?

It goes back to what I was saying about people who actually do any kind of buying and reselling knowing what they're doing. I actually have a 40 hour a week job so I don't bother with trying to do that stuff.

**Dogbert** · 10-08-2012, 18:54

I saw a cracked axe for 1 billion gold on the ah. And it was far from the only one. What's the deal with this type of scam?

**magicrectangle** · 10-08-2012, 19:21

Originally Posted by Dogbert

I saw a cracked axe for 1 billion gold on the ah. And it was far from the only one. What's the deal with this type of scam?

Probably people buying gold via third party instead of the RMAH ('cause the min price is too high on the RMAH).

**MrNajsman** · 13-08-2012, 18:33

I'll just leave this here... http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/com...-reveals-dupes
*cough* number 4

**zaanus** · 13-08-2012, 22:35

To be fair, he may just have legitimately RMAH purchased the offhand without knowing it was a dupe. What would you want blizzard to do if it was a piece of your gear?

**magicrectangle** · 13-08-2012, 22:40

Originally Posted by zaanus

To be fair, he may just have legitimately RMAH purchased the offhand without knowing it was a dupe. What would you want blizzard to do if it was a piece of your gear?

I don't know what kind of records they keep, but ideally, delete the item, and refund me the purchase price if I bought it through the AH (gold or RM). Obviously refunding is a little problematic with real money, since the dupers probably change their paypal often, so blizzard would probably have to eat the cost of the refund - more is the motivation for them to fix duping methods.

**Eric Xanthu** · 14-08-2012, 11:47

I'm with you on this MR, but it causes gigantic inflation. Blizzard would be putting trillions of gold back into the system to fix a duping run and taking out desirable items to buy. The cost to enter the market becomes prohibitive. The three items I just bought for a combined 9 million gold disappear, and now each of those item-equivalents costs 15 million? Ouch.

For system-wide stability, you can't give refunds. This is why hacking and duping has to be prevented or rooted out instantly.

**magicrectangle** · 14-08-2012, 14:47

Originally Posted by Eric Xanthu

For system-wide stability, you can't give refunds. This is why hacking and duping has to be prevented or rooted out instantly.

If duping becomes wide-spread, I agree that refunds are problematic. However the question was "what would you want blizzard to do if it was a piece of your gear?" And I would really like a refund.

Realistically though, I'd simply expect it to be deleted, which is one of the many reasons I'll never buy anything for real money.

**Eric Xanthu** · 14-08-2012, 15:36

Originally Posted by magicrectangle

If duping becomes wide-spread, I agree that refunds are problematic. However the question was "what would you want blizzard to do if it was a piece of your gear?" And I would really like a refund.

Realistically though, I'd simply expect it to be deleted, which is one of the many reasons I'll never buy anything for real money.

Lol yeah...that's why I started with "I'm with you on this."

I'd change your last vow to "I'll never buy anything except for gold with real money."