Latest Diablo 3 News
DiabloWiki Updates
Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 26
  1. #1
    IncGamers Member Dogbert's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Sweden
    Posts
    1,289

    Why is witch doctor the least popular class?

    Anyone got some ideas? The necromancer in diablo 2 was also one of the least popular after the druid and sin i think.




  2. #2
    IncGamers Member Jedouard's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    573

    Re: Why is witch doctor the least popular class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dogbert View Post
    Anyone got some ideas? The necromancer in diablo 2 was also one of the least popular after the druid and sin i think.
    Well, the Necro wasn't always the most popular class. For quite a while, he was pretty unpopular in fact. From release, the Necro's skeles and skele mages sucked late game and poison was never useful. His only survivable summons were the raise dead minions, but even they sucked because they did no damage. The golem was virtually useless once they nerfed the iron maiden/blood golem combo. The only thing the Necro had going for him was his bone spirit, but that only lasted until patch 3 or 4, when they nerfed that too for no apparent reason.

    It took years until patch 10, which fixed all of this. The skeles and skele mages became survivable and dealt decent damage (at the cost of being able to summon 1 skele every 3 skill levels after level 3 versus 1 every level, but that was welcome given the lag). Raise dead and clay golem became good one point wonders. Poison and Bone each became their own twink trees for massive damage. And, most importantly, telebombing aura-mancers entered the game and were easily the most versatile, over-powered build. That's when Necros became favorites.

    Witch Doctors are unpopular for the same reason the early Necro was unpopular: their minions are useless and they are pigeonholed into one build (as far as I know): spam zombie bears and use a bunch of high duration spells to accomplish that.



  3. #3
    IncGamers Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    1,575

    Re: Why is witch doctor the least popular class?

    Witch Doctors seem to be unpopular for a couple reasons:
    1. They disappointed the hopes of people who wanted to play them as a pet/summon class. All those folks made WDs, got to inferno, probably kept going in spite of not having fun because they wanted to make gold, then switched to another class. The pets' bait and switch soured them for WDs.
    2. Witch Doctors don't have a miracle build. They aren't particularly weak compared to any other class's default CC builds (tank barbs, gc dhs, blizz/hydra wizards, standard monks), but they also don't have any special builds that become fantastic with only very specific gear like the ww/sprint barbarians and critical mass wizards.

    Both of these lead to fewer people playing WDs; most of the excitement is centered around two builds from two other classes and the people who originally wanted to play WDs anyway have often quit.

    Jedouard, I'm going to have to disagree about WDs having only one build (rain of toads/acid rain tanks at the very least are quite different and there are a lot of variation for VQ builds too) and fishymancers being overpowered and most versatile (they had their weaknesses and shared the versatility title).


    Last edited by Karth; 08-08-2012 at 23:38.

  4. #4
    IncGamers Member Tryzx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Quebec
    Posts
    318

    Re: Why is witch doctor the least popular class?

    Witch Doctors are the least popular because:

    1. Pets suck in endgame.
    2. Mana... you either have to use vision quest passive or not use any secondary skills (by using 2 primary skills).
    3. Less people are attracted to this archetype than the other 4 classes.



  5. #5
    IncGamers Member Dogbert's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Sweden
    Posts
    1,289

    Re: Why is witch doctor the least popular class?

    Yes i remember this. My very first charachter in diablo 2 classic 1.00 was a necromancer using the blood golem/iron maiden combo.
    Lol people were always crying. "Plz necro no skeletons or mages" heheh. I guess the minions caused massive lag or something.

    Even corpse explosion was nerfed. Do you remember? It used to kick some serious *** before it got nerfed. I think they changed it to not scale with monster hp or something (When more people entered the game) Or maybe it was the monster resistances that got buffed. Can't remember. At any rate it wasn't quite the same after that.

    But is the witch doctor really that bad? The necro was great for group play. Lower resist everything for sorcs. Or Amplify damage for the rest. Revives were awesome tanks etc.




  6. #6
    IncGamers Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    1,408

    Re: Why is witch doctor the least popular class?

    yes, the WD is that bad

    summon skeleton warriors are awesome in D2 -- but zombie dogs die too easily and the 60 second cooldown to resummon them is ridiculous; they die and you have to stand there waiting and waiting before you can resummon them

    corpse explosion is awesome in D2 -- but you had mana leech and charms and runewords and items that increased your mana and man regen

    you don't have that as much in D3 so its difficult to keep bears or acid rain going because you keep running out of mana

    my zombie dogs don't even get healed when I drink a potion



  7. #7
    IncGamers Member Tryzx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Quebec
    Posts
    318

    Re: Why is witch doctor the least popular class?

    Yes pets are horrible past nightmare.

    It should be a priority to fix them.



  8. #8
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    303

    Re: Why is witch doctor the least popular class?

    Meh... People say WDs suck for the same reason they said Necros sucked back in the day. Its because their puny brains cant figure out how to use them.

    Even in this thread people are saying WDs suck, but what they really mean is their 'build' isnt working for them. Mainly summons... And i agree Summons are bad. But summons are a small part of WDs and they still can be used with the right set up.


    Back in d2 my necros where mostly PVP necros. Any negative attitude toward me i would simply go to town and hostile everyone.

    It was always funny.. To watch players talk smack about Necros, not invite me to partys and STILL mock me right after i hostile them. Even funnier when i killed them all in seconds, took their gold and hacky sacked their ears around.

    Some players would try and get back to their corpse and id bone prison them while they where naked putting them on time out.. Oooh the rage that followed was priceless.


    Yes...Necros suck.. And yes WD suck. I hope it stays that way...lol


    Last edited by Vooodu; 09-08-2012 at 14:18.

  9. #9
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    303

    Re: Why is witch doctor the least popular class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jedouard View Post
    they are pigeonholed into one build (as far as I know): spam zombie bears and use a bunch of high duration spells to accomplish that.


    No.... Not every WD uses zombie bears or is pigeonholed intot one build. Lord knows i didnt.

    Also...Real d2 was before enigmas and synergies. Necros where considered the underdog class then and thats whan they where the most fun to play. I used to hang out with alot of PvP Necros on useast.

    And i can say, between me and that group of Undead Freaks we could chew up and spit out 99% of the players on Useast in seconds.

    Necros sucked... And we liked it that way.



  10. #10
    IncGamers Member Tryzx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Quebec
    Posts
    318

    Re: Why is witch doctor the least popular class?

    @Vooodu

    If you noticed we didn't said they sucked, we said they are less popular.

    They maybe are less effective in inferno than other classes, but definitely don't suck.



Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •