Some questions regarding items bases and runewords

**wishyQ** · 03-08-2012, 09:15

Hi, all pro's. I got some questions for you.

First question: i want to ask why people is making beast runeword in 1.07 ethereal base such as berserker axe? I mean why make on ethereal, the runeword does not have any self-repair mod, use any zod runes or is a indestructable base like phase blade.
This is the evidence: http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/s...-FT-runes-gems

Second question: Why 1.07, not 1.08,9,10,11 etc, i have read somewhere that ethereal weapon before v1.09 has this mod call "Enhanced Maximum Damage" mod. Does that means all ethereal weapon before 1.09 has that? And if that is so, why specifically 1.07?
Source: http://www.angelfire.com/games5/orde...one/107-2.html

Third question: This question is about whirlwind barbarian. Which weapon pair is good? Grief+grief, Grief+beast for pvm and pvp? I read somewhere stating grief+beast is better than that of a grief+grief in term of damage output for pvp, why is that so?

Thanks in advance for your help, Pros

**Archone** · 03-08-2012, 10:18

I can answer your third q!

Grief+Grief gets you the best dmg, but no leech. That can be good in pvp, but when you use Grief+Beast youll actually get alot more dmg from the grief. The Attackspeed from Fanatiscm isnt necessary for a PB Grief, nor for a +34IAS BA Grief, to hit the fastest attackspeed for WW.

I usually go for EbotD in mainhand (left slot) and grief in the second. With that youll have the leech/stats + dmg from grief.

Peace

**wishyQ** · 03-08-2012, 10:24

Is there any different with left and right hand?

**Archone** · 03-08-2012, 14:28

Only the attackspeed on the left handed weapon will count with WW.
And only from the weapon, any IAS from gear wont increase your ww attack speed.

Peace

**wishyQ** · 04-08-2012, 00:27

hm, if that's the case, why people still aim for both weapon reach the last WW breakpoint as stated in this travincal running guide in the first sentence of the weapon section
Sorce: diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?757752-Travincal-Running-WW-Barb-Mini-Guide

And for question 1: I search high and low regarding this question. I found another thread in diablo inc forum stating their talic (character name) is using a 1.07 ethereal and indestructible beast and grief berserker axe(with screenies attached).
Sorce: http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/s...make-Patriarch
How is that possible? Is it due to v1.07 able to spawn indestructible+ high damage ethereal weapon bases

**IncubatorJones** · 04-08-2012, 10:12

From what I remember (too lazy to Google) there was a bug once upon a time, when you socketed an ethereal item with Zod and then removed it with the cube recipe, the item would retain it's indestructibility and you could still make runeword etc. with it. Can't remember the specifics, but thats how I think it went.

**Archone** · 04-08-2012, 11:26

I recognize that! I believe it was something like that, yeah.

Peace

**wishyQ** · 04-08-2012, 12:19

That would be so pain to lost a Zod rune! So now, do the bug still exist? Or you can only make beast or grief in non-ethereal weapon bases? And do all the weapon bases from 1.07, be it ethereal or not, has higher damage as compare to the 1.11-1.13 counterparts due to the "Enhanced Maximum Damage" mod or only some has it?

**Archone** · 04-08-2012, 19:54

41-121 is the dmg numbers for a 15ed/Eth Berserker Axe.

The Zod bug doesnt exist anymore. And I do not remember how the old items were, compared to todays.

Peace

**Ladvarian** · 04-08-2012, 23:46

This is for Single Player only. ATMA is only for Single Player.

Actually it was not a bug in D2 at all. It was a bug in ATMA. It should still be possible to do if I recall correctly as ATMA was never updated to fix the bug.

Here is a link to the SPF stance on the bug. Under the header Bugged Items. It also includes a how to guide.