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    New York Times = Wikileaks to the Republician leadership?

    Why the WikiLeaks Grand Jury is So Dangerous: Members of Congress Now Want to Prosecute New York Times Journalists Too

    For more than a year now, EFF has encouraged mainstream press publications like the New York Times to aggressively defend WikiLeaks’ First Amendment right to publish classified information in the public interest and denounce the ongoing grand jury investigating WikiLeaks as a threat to press freedom.
    Well, we are now seeing why that is so important: at a House Judiciary subcommittee hearing on July 11th, some members of Congress made it clear they also want New York Times journalists charged under the Espionage Act for their recent stories on President Obama’s ‘Kill List’ and secret US cyberattacks against Iran. During the hearing, House Republicans “pressed legal experts Wednesday on whether it was possible to prosecute reporters for publishing classified information,” according to the Los Angeles Times.
    In addition, the Washingtonian’s Shane Harris reported a month ago that a “senior” Justice Department official “made it clear that reporters who talked to sources about classified information were putting themselves at risk of prosecution.”



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    Re: New York Times = Wikileaks to the Republician leadership?

    While Assange is filthy communist scum, I always have a problem here. Just because he only discloses stuff to hurt one side doesn't mean a gag order should be considered. In like fashion, just because Obama is hiding behind illegal use of Executive Privilege regarding Fast & Furious doesn't mean that Nixon somehow was legitimized for hiding behind it during Watergate (before it was truly illegal).




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    Re: New York Times = Wikileaks to the Republician leadership?

    Our opinions match pretty well here, surprisingly. As soon as something is known to the press, it's like being known to everybody. If you allow the state to make gag decrees, it will be the end of freedom of press and freedom of speech. the government can try to appeal to the media not to reveal critical information at the wrong time (which happened e.g. when a German newspaper found out that the GSG9 was on their way to liberate the hostages of a hijacked airplane in Mogadishu 1977).

    You cannot trust politicians about it, there's always more than enough which people in positions of power are tempted to sweep under the rug. Even if they are really honest, they are in their ivory tower and might not notice, don't want to notice or pretend not to notice that there are people who will read their lips or just guess about it and then do the worst things to achieve them, in order to secure the rulers' power and thus their own position.



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    Re: New York Times = Wikileaks to the Republician leadership?

    Quote Originally Posted by krischan View Post
    the government can try to appeal to the media not to reveal critical information at the wrong time (which happened e.g. when a German newspaper found out that the GSG9 was on their way to liberate the hostages of a hijacked airplane in Mogadishu 1977).
    Yeah, that's where I mentioned having a problem. The NYT repeatedly went out of their way to castrate the Bush administration regarding Iraq, but in more than one instance they actually put soldiers' lives (to say nothing of the national interest) at risk. Thing is, if Bush had been more like Obama, he would have locked the NYT out, and that would have damaged freedom of the press just as badly as a gag order.




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    Re: New York Times = Wikileaks to the Republician leadership?

    Can't find the old wikileaks thread so bumping this here


    Edit S-Hit! - Der=0

    Ok Close this and if you can find the old wikeleaks thread I was looking for and gave up on (ways more post than this move my post or PM me if not meh close and I will make a new one
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    Re: New York Times = Wikileaks to the Republician leadership?

    Quote Originally Posted by BobCox2 View Post
    Can't find the old wikileaks thread so bumping this here

    Edit S-Hit! - Der=0

    Ok Close this and if you can find the old wikeleaks thread I was looking for and gave up on (ways more post than this move my post or PM me if not meh close and I will make a new one
    Bob, you made no sense whatsoever there. Don't ever change.

    That video is based on a fundamentally false presumption - that Wikileaks is somehow doing good deeds because the media doesn't release as much information as Assange has. In reality, Assange is an evil little commie Murtha-farker who delights in destroying Western civilization, destroying lives, and hurting people. The media, OTOH, plays by the rules generally, and have a civic duty not to endanger society. The perfect example was when Assange's crew, probably members of or abetted by Anonymous, frequently release personal information about police officers specifically in order to endanger their lives.

    That's not the issue under discussion here. There are definitely both secrets that don't need to be kept, and secrets that are kept for unethical and illegal reasons. The former costs an incredible amount of taxpayer money, and are kept simply on the basis that the agencies want to maintain status quo even if they don't really need to (I have a direct, personal understanding of this problem). The latter, however, is IMO far more malevolent, where secrets are purged or released for purely political or personal reasons (the Times citation implies the former is actually of the latter variety). I hardly need to provide examples, given the current administration's "most transparent EVAH!!" activities, and what makes it so much worse is that the media is generally complicit in slanting the coverage regarding such activities.
    Last edited by jmervyn; 01-10-2012 at 15:50.

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    Re: New York Times = Wikileaks to the Republician leadership?

    Quote Originally Posted by jmervyn View Post
    Bob, you made no sense whatsoever there. Don't ever change.

    That video is based on a fundamentally false presumption - that Wikileaks is somehow doing good deeds because the media doesn't release as much information as Assange has. In reality, Assange is an evil little commie Murtha-farker who delights in destroying Western civilization, destroying lives, and hurting people. The media, OTOH, plays by the rules generally, and have a civic duty not to endanger society. The perfect example was when Assange's crew, probably members of or abetted by Anonymous, frequently release personal information about police officers specifically in order to endanger their lives.

    That's not the issue under discussion here. There are definitely both secrets that don't need to be kept, and secrets that are kept for unethical and illegal reasons. The former costs an incredible amount of taxpayer money, and are kept simply on the basis that the agencies want to maintain status quo even if they don't really need to (I have a direct, personal understanding of this problem). The latter, however, is IMO far more malevolent, where secrets are purged or released for purely political or personal reasons (the Times citation implies the former is actually of the latter variety). I hardly need to provide examples, given the current administration's "most transparent EVAH!!" activities, and what makes it so much worse is that the media is generally complicit in slanting the coverage regarding such activities.
    The last thread that had the title change to append Der=0 to it was closed due to Technical Problems. I expect the same on this one.

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    Re: New York Times = Wikileaks to the Republician leadership?

    Quote Originally Posted by BobCox2 View Post
    The last thread that had the title change to append Der=0 to it was closed due to Technical Problems. I expect the same on this one.
    Ah, now I get it. I must not be paying enough attention.

    I wonder if one of the Mods could use their super powers to change the title appendage from "Der=0" to "Derp"?

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    Re: New York Times = Wikileaks to the Republician leadership?

    OK, removed.

    Seems to ba a remnant from a recent forum hacking attempt which added weird appendices to thread titles.
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    Re: New York Times = Wikileaks to the Republician leadership?

    Quote Originally Posted by krischan View Post
    OK, removed
    What, you couldn't change it to "Derp"? I'm very disappointed.

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