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    Re: Critical Mass Melee Wizard

    Quote Originally Posted by kestegs View Post
    LS is nice, but is tough/impossible to get on any even semi ideal setup. You can always use blood magic weapon instead of teleport if you want.

    That is rather slow, I'd try to get it up over 2. I don't think anything else is really going to be a better procer though.

    Coming from playing WD where you don't really want attack speed (bears) is why my attack speed is so slow. I actually tried using Star Pact for proc after I posted but even at my attack speed Wicked Wind is better. I don't lockdown 100% of the time, especially when there's only a single target (probably the reason why it's hard killing treasure gobs), but it's still good enough to key farm at mp5 (crit chance at 51% with pinpoint and Scoundrel).

    I am currently using a wand that has 2.5 LS with APoC, which is why I asked which was better between LoH and LS. I know 2.5 is kind of low but for starting out this build I didn't want to invest too much into a weapon. It's been working ok but I was wondering if LoH instead of LS is that much better for this build (tried looking at AH for similar wand with LoH instead of LS but no luck). If I get more committed to this build then I'll start dropping money into it and perhaps getting LoH from another source; currently I have 0 LoH. I know people say that LS is better than LoH at some point of DPS (like above 100k, which is right where I'm sitting) so I was wondering if that applies to this build as well.

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    Re: Critical Mass Melee Wizard

    I'm generally new to CM build although I can get it to work quite well and survive in large groups but still trying to increase my damage.
    My wizard is here.
    http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/K...5/hero/4607778

    Only have 1.57 attacks per second, my crit chance goes up to 39% with my energy armour active and just over 50% when I hit 5 or more with frost nova.
    I do like what Tal rasha's gives but would I be better off saving up for chants wand and source?
    If so, then Amulet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoeniX Skye View Post

    Coming from playing WD where you don't really want attack speed (bears) is why my attack speed is so slow. I actually tried using Star Pact for proc after I posted but even at my attack speed Wicked Wind is better. I don't lockdown 100% of the time, especially when there's only a single target (probably the reason why it's hard killing treasure gobs), but it's still good enough to key farm at mp5 (crit chance at 51% with pinpoint and Scoundrel).

    I am currently using a wand that has 2.5 LS with APoC, which is why I asked which was better between LoH and LS. I know 2.5 is kind of low but for starting out this build I didn't want to invest too much into a weapon. It's been working ok but I was wondering if LoH instead of LS is that much better for this build (tried looking at AH for similar wand with LoH instead of LS but no luck). If I get more committed to this build then I'll start dropping money into it and perhaps getting LoH from another source; currently I have 0 LoH. I know people say that LS is better than LoH at some point of DPS (like above 100k, which is right where I'm sitting) so I was wondering if that applies to this build as well.
    LS is probably okay, I really have never used it on my wizard though. You really don't need that much LoH, just enough that you cab handle reflects packs.

    You could potentially try to get APoC on your helm and off hand if you don't have it. Storm crow could actually solve both those problems at once.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyrious View Post
    I'm generally new to CM build although I can get it to work quite well and survive in large groups but still trying to increase my damage.
    My wizard is here.
    http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/K...5/hero/4607778

    Only have 1.57 attacks per second, my crit chance goes up to 39% with my energy armour active and just over 50% when I hit 5 or more with frost nova.
    I do like what Tal rasha's gives but would I be better off saving up for chants wand and source?
    If so, then Amulet?
    The tal's set is rashly pretty bad for the most part. I'd stay away from everything except the armor. Ideally this build will use the chant's set, it's really a perfect setup for us. A rare amulet is probably what you'll use for a long time, you can use Blackthorn or tal's but they are generally overpriced for what you get.

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    Re: Critical Mass Melee Wizard

    Quote Originally Posted by kestegs View Post
    LS is nice, but is tough/impossible to get on any even semi ideal setup.
    Actually IMHO the ultimate high end setup uses a rare dagger. Only 1 random slot on chantodo is rough. A rare dagger with:

    good black damage
    attack speed
    crit damage
    socket
    int
    life steal

    seems like the ideal choice. Then obviously paired with a good rare wiz hat or stormcrow, and APoC chant's offhand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magicrectangle View Post
    Actually IMHO the ultimate high end setup uses a rare dagger. Only 1 random slot on chantodo is rough. A rare dagger with:

    good black damage
    attack speed
    crit damage
    socket
    int
    life steal

    seems like the ideal choice. Then obviously paired with a good rare wiz hat or stormcrow, and APoC chant's offhand.
    Theoretically that sounds nice. However what you just listed is a 7 stat weapon. You need +min/max physical damage and % damage to have anything with reasonable damage. So you have to give up the int, which means you have about 300 less int than the chants.

    I still think theoretically it could probably net you higher DPS, but it's going to be nearly impossible to find on the AH.

    The other issue is that you don't get APoC on that, which means you need it on your helm. That alone is a huge downside.

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    Re: Critical Mass Melee Wizard

    You are wrong, Min/Max is just one affix the proof

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    A1 : Min/Max
    A2 : % DMG
    A3 : AS
    A4 : Crit
    A5 : Lifesteal
    A6 : Socket

    I doubt Mempo+Chantado'sForce+Chantado'sWill is more dmg than Dagger+WizardHat+Triumvirate.
    Of course if you factor in AS for Critical Mass... then yeah i doubt you can beat it due to the double IAS

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    Re: Critical Mass Melee Wizard

    Quote Originally Posted by dastral View Post
    You are wrong, Min/Max is just one affix the proof
    He's referring to how a dagger needs min/max and % enhanced damage, both, to have a lot of dps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dastral View Post
    You are wrong, Min/Max is just one affix the proof

    <img src="http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3843"/>
    A1 : Min/Max
    A2 : % DMG
    A3 : AS
    A4 : Crit
    A5 : Lifesteal
    A6 : Socket

    I doubt Mempo+Chantado'sForce+Chantado'sWill is more dmg than Dagger+WizardHat+Triumvirate.
    Of course if you factor in AS for Critical Mass... then yeah i doubt you can beat it due to the double IAS
    Yes, what karth said. Yours doesn't have int.

    I did calcs on triumverate/chant's a while back and they are actually very close in DPS (depending on other gear) tri can't roll as high of average damage.

    Did you pay 2billion for that?

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    Re: Critical Mass Melee Wizard

    Quote Originally Posted by kestegs View Post
    The other issue is that you don't get APoC on that, which means you need it on your helm. That alone is a huge downside.
    Why you think so? Im doing fine with my wizz helm (ofc i use a non APOC chants source):

    int 146
    vit 45
    AR 62
    9 APOC
    6%chance to crit


    What I would gain in terms of damage if using Andys/Memphos?

    Tomb

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tombat View Post

    Why you think so? Im doing fine with my wizz helm (ofc i use a non APOC chants source):

    int 146
    vit 45
    AR 62
    9 APOC
    6%chance to crit

    What I would gain in terms of damage if using Andys/Memphos?

    Tomb
    Even just getting a mempo with no int but 6% cc would be a large DPS increase, the attack speed is huge. You also get a socket, which of course is nice. I think a rare headpiece is the best option until you are ready to drop at least a 100 mil on a mempo though, and already have APoC in your 2 other slots.

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