Is DH still a good class after the latest patches?

**lucidlore** · 22-07-2012, 16:48

Originally Posted by Liability

Did you watch the video? He's not wearing the boots.

Now who's ignorant? My post was entirely accurate. Yours was yet another self righteous knee jerk rant.

Who's ignorant ? Still you. See, there's nothing wrong with being ignorant -- it just means you don't know. Now, however, your ignorance is veering into being stupid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV-iu...ure=plpp_video

Go to around 2:20 and 3:35 in that video. You can see that hes wearing nats boots in favor of zunimasas, and obviously he wears nats when he normally plays. The only reason he wears zunimasas in the video you posted is because hes trying to flex his over400kdps epeen. The guy probably went and poped a frenzy shrine then logged out before he took that video too.

So no, your post is totally wrong, and once again, you're ignorant.

**Simfish** · 22-07-2012, 17:01

A Demon Hunter basically scales with the ability of the player to control his character, as it has the highest skill cap of all the heroes.

You guys need to stop watching Athene. He has bad habits and just typically bad and incorrect play. Here's a video of a good Demon Hunter with excellent control:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hR2M...ature=youtu.be

There are different ways to play the DH even. You could even build a decent DH tank for much less than what it would cost to sufficiently gear up a Barb or Monk. There are Demon Hunter builds for Hardcore...it just takes a bit of creativity to see past the popular meta.

**Liability** · 22-07-2012, 17:27

That video predates the one I posted by a couple of weeks, and you are trying to dig your way out of a hole through pure conjecture. You have no idea what gear set Athene currently runs with. The only real evidence is that his latest gear vid suggests he is not using the four piece bonus - just like I originally stated.

The fact of the matter is that you made an inflammatory post in which you attacked me without ever viewing the link I was discussing. That is a text book example of ignorance. You relied on hyperbole and name calling instead of addressing my comments, and those of the other posters in this thread, on their merits. I'm still waiting for an actual response regarding why you don't think a well geared wiz (like the poster on the prior page) can run act3 faster than you...

**lucidlore** · 22-07-2012, 17:40

Originally Posted by Liability

That video predates the one I posted by a couple of weeks, and you are trying to dig your way out of a hole through pure conjecture. You have no idea what gear set Athene currently runs with. The only real evidence is that his latest gear vid suggests he is not using the four piece bonus - just like I originally stated.

The fact of the matter is that you made an inflammatory post in which you attacked me without ever viewing the link I was discussing. That is a text book example of ignorance. You relied on hyperbole and name calling instead of addressing my comments, and those of the other posters in this thread, on their merits. I'm still waiting for an actual response regarding why you don't think a well geared wiz (like the poster on the prior page) can run act3 faster than you...

Why does it mater that the video i posted predated yours? He already had both boots a month ago. Nothing i post is from conjecture because i know he had a choice a month ago and made the choice to go with nats. I did watch the video you posted -- but i ignored it because i already knew he had nats a month ago. I would suggest YOUR post is conjecture, because the goal of the video you posted is clearly for him to show his 400k+ dps, and not to display the set he normally runs. And you know what else is stupid? It doesn't even mater if he doesn't wear the nats set now, because we all know that he has the choice if he wanted to. Thus, my point that he can pull off the infinite tactical advantage trick if he wants to still stands EVEN IF I AM WRONG. What exactly are you arguing about again?

Yes, i made an inflamatory post. But that's because im tired of people like you who are spouting off when you absolutely don't know what you are talking about. I have absolutely addressed all valid points made, albeit with a bit of annoyance. I don't understand why you keep trying to grasp at straws to salvage some form of "victory". And stop attacking arguments i never made. I never said a wizard can't clear faster than me. However, in order for a wizard to clear faster than me, HE NEEDS JUST AS GOOD OR BETTER GEAR. Crap like this is what annoys me, and what makes you deserving of ridicule.

By the way, the wizard that claims he can do that run with 36k dps in 8 minutes is either full of crap, or is ignoring all the elites/champs in his run and is just bolting through to cydea/azmodan. I have a wizard on my friends list who has over 70k dps. 36kdps does not make you a well geared wiz.

**Liability** · 22-07-2012, 18:07

Please explain to me how my statement about how athene "does not appear to actually use 4 piece nats" was "spouting off." Based on his most recent video, I am correct and you are the one in error. No amount of twisted logic or name calling is going to rescue you from this fact. His apparent choice, based on his own video, was to upgrade from your beloved nats to a gear setup with higher dps. Get over it. When given the choice, a player with unlimited resources opted to go with a build different from your own. Boo hoo.

The only person spouting off, and trolling in this thread, over and over again, without offering a video to back up his self aggrandizing claims (despite demanding just that from others), is you. Shame that this forum doesn't have an ignore option. You would be the one and only member on my list.

**lucidlore** · 22-07-2012, 18:30

Originally Posted by Liability

Please explain to me how my statement about how athene "does not appear to actually use 4 piece nats" was "spouting off." Based on his most recent video, I am correct and you are the one in error. No amount of twisted logic or name calling is going to rescue you from this fact. His apparent choice, based on his own video, was to upgrade from your beloved nats to a gear setup with higher dps. Get over it. When given the choice, a player with unlimited resources opted to go with a build different from your own. Boo hoo.

The only person spouting off, and trolling in this thread, over and over again, without offering a video to back up his self aggrandizing claims (despite demanding just that from others), is you. Shame that this forum doesn't have an ignore option. You would be the one and only member on my list.

I said athene has nats. You said athene doesn't seem to use nats. Why respond to my statement that athene has nats with that if you weren't trying to disprove my assertion that ... athene has nats ? Now that I have proven to you that athene indeed DOES have nats, AND can pull off the tactical advantage trick, tell me again what are you arguing about? That he doesn't use nats now? Even if that were true (which i doubt it is) whats to stop him from putting his nats on and doing exactly what i advocated? Why not concede that i was right, and you were wrong? If i told you the sky is blue would you argue till the end that the sky is yellow just because you would rather adhere to your own stupidity than admit that you were wrong? Stop being a stubborn tool.

You're right, i can't post a vid of my own gameplay. But i posted a vid of a guy with similar dps doing 5 stack run in 15 minutes without nats. I know you're stubborn but is it that hard for you to imagine that i can do the run in 11 - 13 minutes WITH nats and permanent vault/tactical advantage?

My comments about you "spouting off" was mainly aimed at your obvious strawman. My entire argument in this entire thread isn't that no other class, whether it be a barbarian or wizard, can clear faster than me. However, if a class clears faster than the DH, it is due to a gear advantage, not because our class is inferior. You seem to ignore this statement despite the fact that I must have said it half a dozen times by now, and wish to paint me as arrogant because according to you, i said no one can clear faster than me. Problem is, that was never my position. So no, the troll is you, the ignorant one is you, and the one deserving of being ignored, is you.

**lucidlore** · 22-07-2012, 18:51

By the way, go look at your video again. While his inspect shows that hes wearing zunimasas, its obvious that the boots he's wearing on his avatar is natalyas. You avatar doesn't always update correctly. Therefore, you can draw the conclusion that he normally wears nats, but only put the zunimasas on to inflate his dps number.

And since you're so stuborn -- here is a screenshot of me wearing nats boots for you to compare to the boots he has in that video. Clearly the same boots.

http://imgur.com/WJ24r

**Liability** · 22-07-2012, 19:18

Lucid - you've lost track of where your dispute with me started. The total extent of my qualified assertion regarding athene was that: he "does not appear to actually use 4 piece nats" based on his most recent gear video. Without viewing the video, you felt the need to repeatedly call me ignorant, which was ironic, because the video showed exactly what I said it did.

Your most recent point about the avatar updates is an interesting one. I wish you had watched the vid and provided a civil response like that two pages ago instead of indulging yourself in a bunch of logically fallacious ad hominem tirades.

Read back to my first comment. From the beginning, I said your vault tactic sounded like a good one. However, demanding video proof from others when you have stated you will not provide the same is hypocritical. If discussing these issues exasperates you to the point that you start flinging mud, tearing at your hair and typing in allcaps, perhaps its time to sign off the boards for the day? This is supposed to be fun afterall...

**lucidlore** · 22-07-2012, 19:41

I had the urge to call you out only partly because of whether athene wears natalyas or not. I was annoyed because you took my arguments and attacked a position i never took.

You know what an ad hominem is, so you must also know what a straw man is. So tell me where i said that a wizard can not possibly clear faster than me. I know my own clear rate, and i know my stats. I won't suggest that i know the wizard thoroughly, but something doesn't jive when a wizard tells me he can do the same run as i can much faster when i have nats and 3x his dps. You were the one who appealed to common sense awhile ago. So what does your common sense tell you here? Mine says either hes lying, or hes ignoring all the elites and champs because there's no way hes killing 7 elites and 2 act bosses in act 3 inferno that fast with 36k dps. I'd also add that I'm waiting for a reply from him, and hes more than capable of defending himself or clarifying the facts. He doesn't need you to be his champion.

I'm all open to the possibility that another class can clear faster than a demon hunter -- but only if they have similar or better gear. Repeating myself for the 10th time, but eventually i think this will sink it.

**lucidlore** · 22-07-2012, 19:55

And let's not be dishonest. You didn't post that video to say " here is a video that suggests athene doesn't wear nats." You posted that video to say "here is a video that suggests athene doesn't wear nats, therefore he doesn't have nats" in which case, you were wrong. There is no other reason for you to post that video after i said athene has nats, if not to disprove my assertion that athene has nats.