Mafia Game: Cheers/Frasier Theme

[Laarz]

Holy wards was part of a role in a previous game. The role was to pass out a holy ward to each person (one a night) and if at the end of the game if all of the people still alive had a holy ward the win condition would be fulfilled. It pretty much only caused a large amount of confusion though as everyone "thought" they did something or had some purpose.



The only thing I can think of is if it is in fact a roleblock that the roleblock made it so Martin just automatically got an innocent result. Although I'm not sure how that would be handled, as you would think he just wouldn't get a result back. I guess that would be up to the mod though.



We still don't know what it does for certain, all we can do is make a best guess.
Thank you, I'll be here all day.

I'm pretty sure you just get a no result from a block, what happened to Martin sounds more like someone bussed Mal with someone else but no bus driver has died and no one has claimed one, so we go back to we blocked someone last night and when we did the same thing to Martin it appears to give him a incorrect read, two different things however you spin it>

[Gwaihir]

I obviously lied earlier when I said I was 4x. It's actually 6x good thing I saved some. Do I have any left? Not answering.

I protected myself last night, and excellent timing, too, because several of you seemed to think I was tied to Jcakes somehow yesterday.

coju obviously lied when he said "sorry, can't save you this time, we need info". Clearly he knew he was scum the first time and tried to play it off as though it was an innocent mistake. I'm finding it incredibly difficult to believe he's innocent with all that has happened.

Who thinks he's the last one?

Vote 1: coju
vote 2: coju

Interesting. I guess I have been in your shoes, trying to figure out how to claim doctor and not get killed. I can believe a normal doctor claim more than the 4X. The 6X I find suspicious, but as there was no kill last night, seems to me like you are telling the truth.

Thanks Pyro. I don't know if you lie or not though
I spiked Gwaihir and my theory is that our combined ability is a roleblocker at night.

Vote 1: Gwaihir
Vote 2: Gwaihir

Huh. My theory was that the gin switched results from guilty to innocent. Didn't think it roleblocked, but we didn't get a death to show otherwise. More on this in a second.

There are 3 possibilities here and I don't like it:

Option 1: Our combined abilities are a roleblocker, thus it stopped the nightkill and Gwaihir is our guy.
Option 2: Pharphis and his "claimed" 6x Doc ability stopped a kill.
Option 3: They forgot to send in the nightkill (Highly Unlikely).

Seems to me option 2 is the best bet on what happened.

So if you two did the same thing now and its a roleblock as you say now, why wasn't Martin just blocked instead of give a friend or foe answer, doesn't that seem odd?

I would actually expect this - he would get a no result, not an innocent result.

Holy wards was part of a role in a previous game. The role was to pass out a holy ward to each person (one a night) and if at the end of the game if all of the people still alive had a holy ward the win condition would be fulfilled. It pretty much only caused a large amount of confusion though as everyone "thought" they did something or had some purpose.

I seem to be a magnet for the weird roles, don't I? That role was a ton of fun, but near impossible to win with. The actual win condition was if you are alive and all players alive ave a holy ward, you win. Still can't believe I made it to the endgame with that claim.


Anyways, as for why I am not scum, all I can point to is the fact that I hounded Jcakes for 4 days. I voted him every day with either vote one or vote 2. There is no way I am on his mafia team after just going for him for that many days in a row.

As for my suspects:

1) coju - his role does match the lawyer from last game. On the other hand he has acted like scum and his little "sorry I didn't save you" was very, very odd.

2) Laarz - quesitonable choices in his role claim, late claim

3) flubb - I went back and looked at recruitment possibilites last night. Mal was under a lot of pressure day 1, so he probably used his recruit that night. Who was the best option that night? Definitely flubb, who had been RPing all day.

These at least are my top three suspects for today.

[pharphis]

Hmm. laarz. Does anyone know anything about his role in the show? Is this publicist someone who would go too far to 'help' Frasier?

I agree that his choices seem pretty odd.

Yeah, it's all about trying to survive, and to do so, I had to diminish what the mafia thinks i'm capable of - or at least make them think i'm lying about something, but not know what. Now we all know it was the number of saves - The choosing the same target multiple nights in a row still holds, however, as that is what I did to ML. (obviously I can't save myself too many nights in a row - I'll just let you all assume that twice in a row is a fair number)

Unvote 2: Gwaihir

[Laarz]

Hmm pharphis, the doc who forgets the cop and saves himself, I would sleep with someone to get what I wanted,is that going too far to help Frasier?

You had better check the wind it could change direction, by the end of this day will you have voted for everyone? Looks like you are just trying to get a lynch on anyone but yourself.

[pharphis]

You're basing that off of 2 votes and my consideration of you? HA

Tell me, do you not find coju suspicious? Gwaihir? (this was mostly a gut feeling for me, whereas for coju there are many well documented reasons thus far)

Yup. I forgot - lots of people in this game and I acted too quickly to protect myself rather than double check for roles I may have forgotten. It really as simple as that.

As I said before, the person I would have saved that night (other than myself) would have been Gwaihir, but I was too worried about the recruitment thing. There were still advantages to be had by the mafia at that point because some of them didn't do a full claim
*cough laarz/coju cough*
Besides, I remember trying to splurt out some 'last words' just in case I was killed that night. Wanted to try to let the mafia think they could go for me, though that is a bit obvious.

You mad I tricked you with my lie about number of saves, scum (?) ?

@all,
It really appears that the mafia are just a bunch of roleblockers, to counterbalance all of the power roles we have. Does coju's 'prevent a lynch' thing hold into this idea? Meh, sort of. I wouldn't be awfully surprised as it's considered a relatively anti-town role, anyway, and there's always the recruitment possibility.

[pharphis]

What I mean is that the night the cop died, there were still advantages to be had by killing the priest, because they could have still faked some very reasonable claims.

Still don't remember why you chose those targets? I mean, there must have been a series of lines someone said for you to come to that decision, or something. I can understand the 'gut feeling' if that's what it was, but normally there's some reason behind it you could remember.

[coju]

(This looks butchered, but only way I know how to quote in a quote.)
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I say we lynch one of these: Jcakes/pharphis and gwaihir/flubbucket.
I'd bet one of the sides are both scum. Jcakes and phar or gwaihir and flub.

I don't see either of these connections. The strongest connection I see so far is between you and Jcakes.

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Don't be sad about it. I'm game for a gw lynch.

Pyro, you're putting words in my mouth. The only person I'm sure about is coju. I figure if jcakes is town, that means gwaihir is scum. If jcakes is scum, then gwaihir is town. If those are true, I could only assume that phar is with jcakes and flub is with gwaihir.

I wish it were that simple, but there is still the possibility that we are both town and just confused. Not saying I think he was a bad choice for a lynch though.

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This is the reason I'm not game for a laarz vote. I'm 100% positive jcakes and gwaihir are on opposing factions. Both have voted for laarz. This late in the game I cannot see how two mafians would vote for one of their own.

How are you 100% sure without an investigation? And mafia can vote for each other - this game is a perfect example. Although this late it does get more questionable.

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@ Gwaihir: Curious what you thought about this post, if you still feel the same way.

[coju]

Anyways, as for why I am not scum, all I can point to is the fact that I hounded Jcakes for 4 days. I voted him every day with either vote one or vote 2. There is no way I am on his mafia team after just going for him for that many days in a row.

Read your last quote in my previous post.

[Laarz]

Cute

I obviously lied earlier when I said I was 4x. It's actually 6x good thing I saved some. Do I have any left? Not answering.

I protected myself last night, and excellent timing, too, because several of you seemed to think I was tied to Jcakes somehow yesterday.

coju obviously lied when he said "sorry, can't save you this time, we need info". Clearly he knew he was scum the first time and tried to play it off as though it was an innocent mistake. I'm finding it incredibly difficult to believe he's innocent with all that has happened.

Who thinks he's the last one?

Vote 1: coju
vote 2: coju

So you tell us that you lied to us.

Not buying that. Since you were tied to Jcakes by comments you are are a good target to keep around. No sane scum would go for you to kill.

Not buying what? All of it? that would be silly

So it would be silly for Moar or anyone to buy all of that?

I don't know what to belive really. I think your post was strange. Suddenly from a 4 times to a 6 times doc? Saving yourself instead of the doc on your claimed 3th shot and now suddenly you have 6 shots and saved yourselv again and saying that's the reason for np kill. No, I don't believe that.

I thought it would be nice for a whacky doc claim, with limited possibilities to confuse the mafia. I mean, it's pretty crazy, but not THAT different from my role pm. Who's to say I'm not lying about 6x?

Then you claim Hmmm, I may be lying to you guys again

And that post makes you less scummy?

Moar just answering you

Hmm. laarz. Does anyone know anything about his role in the show? Is this publicist someone who would go too far to 'help' Frasier?

I agree that his choices seem pretty odd.

Yeah, it's all about trying to survive, and to do so, I had to diminish what the mafia thinks i'm capable of - or at least make them think i'm lying about something, but not know what. Now we all know it was the number of saves - The choosing the same target multiple nights in a row still holds, however, as that is what I did to ML. (obviously I can't save myself too many nights in a row - I'll just let you all assume that twice in a row is a fair number)

Unvote 2: Gwaihir

Then you take a different tack with a FoS at me.

I'm sure we all would like to survive, but lying even its with the best motives can get you lynched

You're basing that off of 2 votes and my consideration of you? HA


Tell me, do you not find coju suspicious? Gwaihir? (this was mostly a gut feeling for me, whereas for coju there are many well documented reasons thus far)

Yup. I forgot - lots of people in this game and I acted too quickly to protect myself rather than double check for roles I may have forgotten. It really as simple as that.

As I said before, the person I would have saved that night (other than myself) would have been Gwaihir, but I was too worried about the recruitment thing. There were still advantages to be had by the mafia at that point because some of them didn't do a full claim
*cough laarz/coju cough*
Besides, I remember trying to splurt out some 'last words' just in case I was killed that night. Wanted to try to let the mafia think they could go for me, though that is a bit obvious.

You mad I tricked you with my lie about number of saves, scum (?) ?

@all,
It really appears that the mafia are just a bunch of roleblockers, to counterbalance all of the power roles we have. Does coju's 'prevent a lynch' thing hold into this idea? Meh, sort of. I wouldn't be awfully surprised as it's considered a relatively anti-town role, anyway, and there's always the recruitment possibility.

What I mean is that the night the cop died, there were still advantages to be had by killing the priest, because they could have still faked some very reasonable claims.

Still don't remember why you chose those targets? I mean, there must have been a series of lines someone said for you to come to that decision, or something. I can understand the 'gut feeling' if that's what it was, but normally there's some reason behind it you could remember.

Not off that but off your eagerness to jump to an easy vote without any questioning done.

Yes I do, I find everyone suspicious.

Maybe you did forget, there was like 12 people alive then.

And your claim is perfect, pot meet kettle.

No because i'm not scum, it has to do more with the way you treat us townfolk.


You speak of blockers, dont you think they would have blocked you and had the hitman kill you?


I think everyone had a semblance of a claimin when the cop died? So you think the mafia could have killed the coroner and then say * oh I lied when I claimed earlier, now this is who I really am? Unlikely it would have scum written all over it.


Could have been for the same reasons you choose some of your targets.

[Moar]

Hmm. laarz. Does anyone know anything about his role in the show? Is this publicist someone who would go too far to 'help' Frasier?

I agree that his choices seem pretty odd.

Yeah, it's all about trying to survive, and to do so, I had to diminish what the mafia thinks i'm capable of - or at least make them think i'm lying about something, but not know what. Now we all know it was the number of saves - The choosing the same target multiple nights in a row still holds, however, as that is what I did to ML. (obviously I can't save myself too many nights in a row - I'll just let you all assume that twice in a row is a fair number)

Unvote 2: Gwaihir

You continue lying? You claimed to have protected yourself the 2 nights before, so that would make it the 3rd time last night.