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    Re: Romney and Bain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stevinator View Post
    What did Kris call it? Polemics?
    Well, SOMEBODY has to hold the punching bag.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevinator View Post
    It annoys me when presidents are blamed for economic production. This "greatest recession" was caused by both parties over the course of decades and no one having the foresight or the balls to stop it, and people making decisions that we should have foreseen. Nothing I've heard from Obama or Romney will pull us out of this mess.
    Stop being intelligent; it's annoying. What you're supposed to do is only blame the other party's president for economic troubles, and ignore the off-set of congressional terms.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevinator View Post
    Really, what we need is time, and a desire to make something other than iPad Aps.
    No, No, NO! We need to have and "Information based economy", where we build nothing and simply profit off of thought. After all, nobody else can think thoughts, as long as they're copyrighted and trademarked. Why else would Bush send Hilary Rosen to Iraq to "assist" with the reconstruction efforts?
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevinator View Post
    I'm sure he's found a way to spin it so it looks like the liberals are the bad guys.
    You're saying El Rushbo can bend space and time, so that he's able to retroactively cause something he's mocking a day or two after it happened? That sounds suspiciously like calling him a god.
    Quote Originally Posted by Technomancer View Post
    Haha, speaking of complete lies, Mitt's new ad shows 'Bama saying that "If you have a business, you didn't build that, somebody else did", when he actually said that if you have a business, people like teachers and mentors helped you along the way and you didn't build the roads and bridges you use. Keepin' it classy there, Willard!! The unfortunate fellow in the ad later acknowledged on Neil Cavuto that Obama was right.

    /popcorn
    Oh, you mean this ad? Wow, you're right, Techno - Romney is such a complete liar for... quoting Obama exactly and in context.

    Those nice men in the white coats are coming to give you some intravenous vitamin supplements soon - try not to struggle. You'd have loved Terre Haute, but I heard it's out of the asylum business now as is Central State. Not sure where you'll wind up, but if you keep taking your meds I'm sure you'll be given some Internet access.



    EDIT - too good to waste, if you know about "Man's Country":





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    Re: Romney and Bain?

    Quote Originally Posted by jmervyn View Post
    Well, SOMEBODY has to hold the punching bag.
    I'm continually impressed with your clear dedication to seeking the truth no matter the outcome.

    Stop being intelligent; it's annoying. What you're supposed to do is only blame the other party's president for economic troubles, and ignore the off-set of congressional terms.
    That is the nicest thing you've ever said to me. <sniff>

    No, No, NO! We need to have and "Information based economy", where we build nothing and simply profit off of thought. After all, nobody else can think thoughts, as long as they're copyrighted and trademarked. Why else would Bush send Hilary Rosen to Iraq to "assist" with the reconstruction efforts?
    If only she could have stayed....

    You're saying El Rushbo can bend space and time, so that he's able to retroactively cause something he's mocking a day or two after it happened? That sounds suspiciously like calling him a god.
    In the mind of the dittoheads, i guess. I really like listening to rush, he's good at his job. He has a tendency to rewrite and purposefully misinterpret reality though. If he were a painter, it would be high art.

    Oh, you mean this ad? Wow, you're right, Techno - Romney is such a complete liar for... quoting Obama exactly and in context.
    Kinda, Obama was referring to the roads when he said you didn't build that. Romney's camp was technically accurate, but wrong in the way it matters. I think they missed the opportunity to have a bigger discussion here. Obama is outsizing his arguement. Yes, government programs created a situation conducive to success, but he's missing that everyone has access to roads and internet, but only so many climb their way to the top. Making the individual initiative a side note was the part Romney should have harped on.

    Bob~
    Sometimes I do watch political ads. It always bugs me when they start to go negative--especially when the negative ads are lame like the two referenced here. I guess pollsters don't account for that, or they must think there's less of me than there are people that that works on. I'm not really sure it works like that. I think winning an election is about getting the people who already agree with you to get out and vote.




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    Re: Romney and Bain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stevinator View Post
    I'm continually impressed with your clear dedication to seeking the truth no matter the outcome.
    Hey, when I'm wrong, I admit it. I think the last time was when I echoed the claim that Brokeback Mountain did badly at the box office...
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevinator View Post
    That is the nicest thing you've ever said to me. <sniff>
    I'll make up for it, don't worry.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevinator View Post
    If only she could have stayed....
    Well, she probably wanted to get back to her girlfriend, ANOTHER of my most favourite people in the world.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevinator View Post
    In the mind of the dittoheads, i guess.
    Knock it off. Even though I didn't hear the episode, Rush was clearly responding to the stupidity of Lefties who were making the assertion. Now, one can easily claim that he was making much hay while the sun shone, but that's his shtick.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevinator View Post
    Kinda, Obama was referring to the roads when he said you didn't build that. Romney's camp was technically accurate, but wrong in the way it matters.
    Nope. Go back, read it again. You're quoting the tortured logic that they're trying to pretend Obama was using, but even THAT is absolute bullcrap. Which we can argue here, if you really want to plant your flag on such an inane claim. Protip - I believe I already linked to at least one of the pieces identifying the valid social argument (AKA "no man is an island") which Obama flacks are <now> trying to pretend he was making. That's not what he was actually doing, though; he was simply echoing Elizabeth Warren's Marxist shyte, (she's rumoured to be the DNC keynote speaker) and he'd done it once previously in front of a smaller audience.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevinator View Post
    Making the individual initiative a side note was the part Romney should have harped on.
    Oh, no, Romney's got a club to routinely beat Obama bloody with and he doesn't even need to use that aspect. The obvious buffoonery of claiming that Steve Jobs couldn't have created Apple without the Internet, or that Ford couldn't have created the Model T without highways, is more than enough for any sane, unbiased person to recognize that Obama's youthful Marxist beliefs haven't been sloughed to any meaningful degree.




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    Re: Romney and Bain?

    Quote Originally Posted by jmervyn View Post
    Oh, you mean this ad? Wow, you're right, Techno - Romney is such a complete liar for... quoting Obama exactly and in context.
    Well, I didn't factor in that you and the right can't understand the English language. The word "that" is clearly referring to roads, bridges, and later, the internet. Unless you don't want it too, then I guess you can lie and pretend he's saying whatever you want.

    Oh, and let's not forget Romney's ad quoting Obama: "If we keep talking about the economy, we're going to lose."

    I just keep waiting for the ad of Romney vs. Romney, where there is a video quote of him taking the opposite position of virtually every position he publicly holds today. If John Kerry was a flip-flopper, Mitt's a spinning top.



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    Re: Romney and Bain?

    I'm sure Romney's tax returns would show that he hired accountants to find as many ways as possible to avoid paying as much in taxes as possible.

    Welcome to everyone else in the world! Why is this a shock to anyone? *boggle*



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    Re: Romney and Bain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Technomancer View Post
    Well, I didn't factor in that you and the right can't understand the English language. The word "that" is clearly referring to roads, bridges, and later, the internet. Unless you don't want it too, then I guess you can lie and pretend he's saying whatever you want.
    Here, I'll let Dr. Krauthammer chop your nuts off and feed them to you.

    Quote Originally Posted by The good Doctor
    That is the process but the content here is utterly damning. I mean, Romney said it’s not a gaffe. A gaffe defined in Washington is when a politician accidentally speaks what is really in his heart. This is his political philosophy. And it’s elaborated. I don’t care about that one sentence, although I would say I disagree with Steve [Hayes] that one sentence as I just heard it, and as anybody looking at it would see in print, that you build, ‘that’ is a reference to person’s idea he built his own business. It is not a reference to roads and bridges.

    But let‘s look at the whole context and let’s ignore that one sentence. He starts with a mocking reference to people who succeed believing it might have something to do with intelligence or hard work. Sort of laughing at them.

    So he is mocking people, a Korean immigrant who works 16 hours a day in a candy store and he builds it and he sends his kids to college with that, you know, with the money he finally makes 20 years later. Or a physician in medical school, you know, who goes 60 or 80-hour weeks, works hard and then in his 50s, begins reaping the rewards of his work. That is number one. Secondly, everybody he says who helped you along the way. It’s no accident everybody in his example is an agent of the government. It’s either a teacher, or a road, or a bridge, or the internet, which he says incorrectly was invented by the government so we could create opportunities in the marketplace.
    It’s all government. And this is his philosophy that government is the root of the success, individual and national and it’s not individual enterprise — he has to some extent to individual enterprise. But anybody who thinks it’s that, obviously is rewarding himself in a way that is undeserved, it’s the government. And that’s the heart of his philosophy. That is the real division between left and right in the country. That’s why Romney ought to hit it every day until election day.

    Quote Originally Posted by Technomancer View Post
    I just keep waiting for the ad of Romney vs. Romney, where there is a video quote of him taking the opposite position of virtually every position he publicly holds today. If John Kerry was a flip-flopper, Mitt's a spinning top.
    Is that your "I know you are but what am I?" equivalence? I've already said I dislike Romney to a degree, and that if Obama could not make any more Supreme Court appointments then I'd probably stay home so that you & yours can get their teeth broken off in the concrete reality of what this ignorant little Marxist has caused.




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    Re: Romney and Bain?

    Just to rub Techno's nose in his own poop (yes, I've got a new puppy at home)...
    Quote Originally Posted by Readings from the Book of Barack
    1 In the beginning Govt created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the economy was formless and void, darkness was over the surface of the ATMs, and the Spirit of Govt was hovering over the land.

    3
    And Govt said, “Let there be spending,” and there was spending. 4 Govt saw that the spending was good, and that it separated the light from the darkness. 5 Govt called the spending Investments, and this he did in the first day.

    6
    Then Govt said, “Let there be roads and bridges across the waters, and let dams divide the waters from the waters.” 7 Thus Govt made the infrastructure and the patronage jobs for eternity under the firmament from the Potomac which was above the firmament; and it was so. 8 And Govt called the firmament Washington. This Govt did on the second day.

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    Then Govt said, “Let the regulations and the guidlines under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the Bureaus appear”; and it was so. 10 And Govt called the Bureaus demigovts, and the gathering together of them He called AFSCME. And Govt saw that it was good.

    11
    Then Govt said, “Let there be police, and firefighters, and teachers according to their kind, for they will create more jobs”; and it was so. 12 And then Govt bade the void bring forth crime, and arson, and stupidity, that each would yield seed to bring forth more police, and firefighters, and teachers, and jobs. And Govt saw that it was good. 13 So the evening and the morning were the third day.

    14
    On the fourth day Govt said, “Let Us make the economy in Our image, according to Our likeness; let it have dominion over the cars of the road, over the appliances of the supercenters, and over the pet groomers of the strip malls, over all the clickthroughs of Amazon and over every creepy thing of the Dollar Stores.” 15 So Govt created the economy in His own image; services and wholesale and retail He created them. 16 Then Govt blessed them, and Govt said to them, “Be fruitful and use the multiplier effect; fill the land with jobs; thou have dominion over thy realm, within limits, as long and thou remember to get thy permits and tithe thy taxes, for they are good. Hope to see you at the fundraiser.”

    17
    And on the fifth day Govt made an official Govt holiday, and headed off for a 3-day golf weekend at Camp David. But first Govt said to the economy, "you are free to eat from any tree in the garden, except the tree of Knowledge. There is a serpent in that thing, and thy health care does not cover it."

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    So when Govt was on vay-cay the economy set about the garden, plowing its fields and generating revenue for the glory of Govt. They obeyed the regulations and were not ashamed.

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    Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the balanced, publicly-funded birds the Lord Govt had made to sing news to the economy. The serpent was on the AM band. He said to the retail sector, “Did Govt really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’? ”

    20
    "Only yours, serpent," said the retail sector.

    21
    “Don't be a wuss,” the serpent said to the retail sector. 22 “For Govt knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will wise to Govt's scam.”

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    When she saw that the fruit was pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, and also free to download, she took some and ate it. She emailed a copy to her wholesaler, and he ate it; and then the wholesaler to the manufacturer, and he to the servicer. 24 Then the eyes of all of them were opened, and they realized they were being taxed naked; so they outsourced fig leaves to make coverings for themselves.

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    Then the economy heard the sound of the Lord Govt returning from vay-cay with the demigovts Osha and Tarp and Irs. It was the cool of the day, and they were hiding their profits from the Lord Govt among the trees of the garden. 26 But the Lord Govt called to the manufacturer, “Where are you?”

    26
    He answered, “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid, so I sought a tax shelter.”

    27
    And Govt said, “Who told you that your profits were yours? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from? ”

    28
    The man said, “The retailer made me —she has a thing for serpents.”

    29
    Then the Lord Govt said to the retailer, “What is this you have done?”

    30
    And she said to the Lord Govt, “Don't take that tone with me, fat boy. And why should I give you my profits?”

    31
    The Lord Govt was in wrath, and said, “For I am the Lord Govt, creator of Eden! 32 I gave unto you the roads and bridges, and schools and cops, brought unto you of gentle showers of Tarp and Stimulus and rivers of Subsidy, I am the purifier of the waters, cleanser of the air, without which you and your profits would not exist. Thus all that thou have created is created by Us. Thus ye shall render unto Govt what is Govt's, and this is the Word of your Lord.”

    33
    At these words, Solydra and Gm and Seiu and all the Cronyans and Laborites dropped to their knees in trembling fear and supplicated themselves before the Lord, presenting Him golden gifts of contributions.

    34
    Then the retailer said to Govt, “And who created you?”

    35
    In righteous anger did the Lord Govt again rise up and said, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Tri-Delts and the Dekes, I am and have always been! I am the great cosmic turtle on which you and the entire economy rest.”

    36
    "And on whom do you rest, turtle?" said the retailer in blasheme.

    37
    "Do not mock me with your knowledge trickery, harlot!" said the Lord Govt. "I am turtles all the way down."

    38
    So the Lord Govt said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,

    “Cursed are you above all livestock
    and all wild animals!
    You will crawl on your belly
    and you will eat dust
    all the days of your life.
    39 And I will keep you from tenure
    and grants and the airwaves,
    and condemn you to the bowels of internet."


    40 Then the Lord Govt turned the retailer and the manufacturer and the wholesaler and all the servicers, and said,

    “I will make your taxes and regulations very severe;
    with painful labor you will give birth to profit.
    You shall be afflicted with plagues of audits,
    the coming of Osha, and the trials of Irs.
    By the sweat of thy brow you will earn thy living
    until you return it to Me.
    You will suffer the droughts of subsidy and stimulus,
    and will thirst forever. You're welcome."


    41
    And so the Lord Govt banished the economy from paradise, and bade them go outsource to the Far East of Eden. And as the chastened economy slouched out of of Babylon He said unto them,

    40
    "How do you like them apples?"



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    Re: Romney and Bain?

    Quote Originally Posted by jmervyn View Post
    Here, I'll let Mitt Romney himself chop your nuts off and feed them to Dr. Krauthammer (1:40-2:05).



    Quote Originally Posted by jmervyn View Post
    Is that your "I know you are but what am I?" equivalence? I've already said I dislike Romney to a degree, and that if Obama could not make any more Supreme Court appointments then I'd probably stay home so that you & yours can get their teeth broken off in the concrete reality of what this ignorant little Marxist has caused.
    That had nothing to do with you. If John Kerry was a flip flopper, Mitt is a spinning top.

    And where did they get that other work of fiction? Conservapedia?

    Oh, and cool on the puppy! *squee*



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    Re: Romney and Bain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Technomancer View Post
    Here, I'll let Mitt Romney himself chop your nuts off and feed them to Dr. Krauthammer (1:40-2:05).
    Can't see it. Is it the Olympic quote? Patently not the same thing, and you still can't defend the previous Dem lie. Either he's misquoting, or you lose on all counts. No "well, THE WON really meant whatever the focus groups think is the least insulting".
    Quote Originally Posted by Technomancer View Post
    That had nothing to do with you. If John Kerry was a flip flopper, Mitt is a spinning top.
    Mitt's not an open traitor and serial liar, so at least there's that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Technomancer View Post
    And where did they get that other work of fiction? Conservapedia?
    Demonstrating yet again that those of the Left do not have the comedic talent or sense of humor they claim they have.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gutfeld
    Asking a Comedian to Make Fun of Obama Is Like Asking a Priest to Mock Christ



    EDIT - here's another fun rebuttal:



    2nd EDIT - found a referral to Obama's previous use of this "non-gaffe gaffe" that I remembered reading. In sum: no, THE WON did not misspeak, his words were interpreted correctly the first time, and the context makes the claims of his Marxist claptrap beliefs completely and accurately damning.


    Quote Originally Posted by President Obama, Oct. 22 2011
    Somebody—an outstanding entrepreneur like a Steve Jobs—somewhere along the line he had a teacher who helped inspire him. All those great Internet businesses wouldn’t have succeeded unless somebody had invested in the government research that helped to create the Internet. We don’t succeed on our own. We succeed because this country has, in previous generations, made investments that allow all of us to succeed. [Emphasis added]


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