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    We already had our debate about the term "socialist" in that party's name and the difference between naming a party socialistic and being socialistic. There was a time when they had a socialistic facet, however. Besides, the only party which opposed them when the nazis passed the Ermächtigungsgesetz (enabling act) in the parliament (which gave Hitler the power to bypass the parliament on important decisions) were the social democrats (while the communists were thrown into prison already) while the other parties were cowards and didn't have the guts to deny their approval.

    Regarding the quoted part, I was joking, but maybe I didn't place the smiley well enough. There's no need to play the race, err moderator card



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    Quote Originally Posted by krischan View Post
    We already had our debate about the term "socialist" in that party's name and the difference between naming a party socialistic and being socialistic.
    Sure, and you didn't have anything legitimate to defend your claims. It's always like that, innit? Socialism is central planning by its very nature. The belief that somehow "true" socialism is just around the corner, and the ubiquitous failures, scandals, and mass deaths are somehow <NOT> the inevitable result of the belief is what makes me so scornful. You can't get a little bit pregnant.
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    There's no need to play the race, err moderator card
    I didn't take it seriously, just as I don't hold MV responsible for the episode in any way (he's called me names in an effort to get me to pick up the "sword" there again). I figure there's no point, better to let the little shytes starve; I suspect the OWS one I mentioned will be, soon. We're very close to the edge of the "cliff" already.




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    No thanks, I'm not interested in that debate yet again. Maybe in 10 years.



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    Re: Jluy 4th Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by krischan View Post
    No thanks, I'm not interested in that debate yet again. Maybe in 10 years.
    Oh, much sooner than that; I'm just not sure which of us will be first.




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    I won't place any bets, that would restart the debate



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    You two fascinate me. jmervyn, surely you know that the snake has two heads? That is, the left and right are two heads of the same monster, and it laughs at your support of either side. Meanwhile, Krischan is a mob rule guy. So on Torture Island, the monthly state lottery can torture a random person to death provided 51% of voters, or "the will of the people", Ok it.

    I think you both make the common error: the belief that if we could just elect the right psycho alpha male, the guy who is just a little less bad than the other side, then we can really go places.

    Normally, I'm not this much of a provocateur, but it's like an epiphany, you know?



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    Quote Originally Posted by stillman View Post
    Normally, I'm not this much of a provocateur, but it's like an epiphany, you know?
    You misunderestimate me, stillman. I only rail against the Left because they're the establishment and have been so for over 40 years in the U.S.; I've never pretended that Progressivism/Totalitarian tendencies are to be found on both supposed political poles. While I think our nation would have suffered less under McCain, I agree with Glenn Beck - better that the pain come now and shock the proles out of their MTV-induced stupor, than let the out-of-control train careen down the rails while the supposed "right" bite their tongues because it's "our" moron at the controls.

    The reason I needle kris about Hitler is that the Soviets and their sympathizers in the West managed to convince people that the ends of the spectrum are somehow Communist v. Fascist, when those are really two flavors of the same theology (Fascism tends to deify the State a trifle more, while Communism deifies the Party or the Land, but that's about it). The real spectrum is that of Statism; the social attempt to answer the question of whether Man can rule himself.




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    40 years? If they (the leftists) are the establishment, it would seem only so by a small margin. I'm not sure how you determine which side is dominating. In polls showing support for red vs blue, it looks pretty even by my untrained eyes. Presidents and court toadies take turns in their chairs. Religion and conservative values are still popular despite the little gains from progressives. Isn't the establishment kind of a blur right now, or at least kept in a tandem or equilibrium that is usually around 50/50?



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    I can live pretty well with the definition of a socialist is different from here over there, so we are constantly battling over terms and sometimes refuse to accept that the one means oranges when talking about apples. I just don't like it if he says that my apples are oranges as well... and vice versa, of course.



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    Quote Originally Posted by stillman View Post
    40 years? If they (the leftists) are the establishment, it would seem only so by a small margin.
    I'm talking about the "public square", the soap-boxen if you will. 40 years ago, divorces were rare and shameful (I oughta know), drug use was considered reprehensible, and someone boasting about being a Marxist would have been beaten to a bloody pulp. People who were rich were NOT hated, and there was still such a thing as the shame which many here dislike so.
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    I'm not sure how you determine which side is dominating.
    Just look at the size and scope of Gov't. Reagan couldn't even roll back the Dept. of Education.
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    Religion and conservative values are still popular despite the little gains from progressives.
    Untrue. Mainstream religion has all but collapsed; while the "mega-churches" still hold some sway there's nothing even close to the imaginary theocracy that all the bed-wetter types claim is just around the corner.

    The only reason "conservative values" still hold sway is the old chestnut, "Reality has a conservative bias". Try to tell me that with a straight face when the most famous and popular personality in modern culture has as her singular achievement an internet movie about her enjoyment of deep interracial*... reaming.

    *It goes without saying that I'm quite a fan of "interracial relations", I'm just pointing out that to claim persistent conservatism is silly in the face of filth.
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    I can live pretty well with the definition of a socialist is different from here over there
    Simply put, your European definition (and more specifically, attempting to differentiate so-called "social democracy" doesn't hold up under scrutiny, and it never did. The definition of a socialist, simply put, is someone who believes in the power and validity of central planning; the opposite of individualism.




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