Weapon dmg vs Critical dmg

[StarMage]

Simply put, is it worth giving up 150 weap dmg for 60% increased crit dmg?

950 rare dps bow with 18% ias and 60% crit dmg
vs
1100 blue dps bow with 25% ias

My passives are archery, steady aim, and tactical advantage. Currently have 21% crit chance, 113% crit dmg, and 2.60 atks per second. I know it's not much, still working on my gear hehe, so just looking for some input before I invest in upgrades.

Edit: I've been reading around so I know what a 2H xbow + SS can do, but I'm more of a bow user. I already have an idea that crit dmg > regular dmg so if 20% crit means 1 out of 5 shots does crit dmg, with 2.60 atks per second I should be getting critical hits fairly often so I'm leaning towards giving up 150 weap dmg for 60% crit dmg. Just looking for your opinions.

[supermo]

Simply put, is it worth giving up 150 weap dmg for 60% increased crit dmg?

950 rare dps bow with 18% ias and 60% crit dmg
vs
1100 blue dps bow with 25% ias

My passives are archery, steady aim, and tactical advantage. Currently have 21% crit chance, 113% crit dmg, and 2.60 atks per second. I know it's not much, still working on my gear hehe, so just looking for some input before I invest in upgrades.

Edit: I've been reading around so I know what a 2H xbow + SS can do, but I'm more of a bow user. I already have an idea that crit dmg > regular dmg so if 20% crit means 1 out of 5 shots does crit dmg, with 2.60 atks per second I should be getting critical hits fairly often so I'm leaning towards giving up 150 weap dmg for 60% crit dmg. Just looking for your opinions.

simple math letting dext and other ias issues behind:

1100 dps + 20% crit (1100*0.2*crit modifier(0.5)) = 1210 dps
vs
950 dps + 20% crit (1100*0.2*(0.5+60highercrit(0.6)) = 1192 dps

if your crit is not 20% but lower - the effect gets smaller (the high dps weapon is better) - if your crit is higher than 20 - the effect gets higher _> the low dps weapon is better

i was too lazy to calc with your values but from guessing i would say 950 weapon =better

[Karth]

This is subject to mathematical analysis if you give us a bit more information. How much IAS do you have that is not on your weapon? I assume your current 63% extra crit damage is not from your weapon (that you're using the blue right now?)

When I was hunting a hand crossbow, my math showed that with ~30% chance to crit it took very significant crit damage to make up for a 100 dps deficit in base weapon damage.

Edit: unlike supermo, I strongly suspect the 1100 dps bow is going to be better since it seems you have 63% off-weapon crit damage already.

[Yggdrasil]

Personnally, I would take the blue 1100dps +25ias, because I am not really fond of relying on criticals, even if it is effective.

That is why I'm thinking maybe playing without sharpshooter, because my opinion on it is that it is effecient, but with Steady aim+archery, I already have 2 good offensive passives. One thing I'm thinking doing, is calcullate, for a base crit chance of X, the effective +crit chance you have on average with SS when figthing say 4 ennemies, with 2 atk/sec. It's hard but I am making my way through it, I will let you know when I got some datas.

[DaemonX]

I have a similar dilemma. However I feel my situation will pose a more clear-cut question:
My crit chance is 39% base, 52% with caltrop buff and scoundrel, I have 65% crit damage from non-weapon items (and 50% base of course), for 115% crit bonus.

Now compare:
750 dps 2H-xbow, with a socket w/ Star Emerald (+60% crit damage) and 80% crit damage mod, and archery for 190% crit bonus, attacking 2.2 times per second.

1180 dps bow, no socket, +89 dex +15% IAS, for +89%WD + 15% total damage from Archery, attacking 2.8 times per second.

Which is better? I'd rather not pay 1.5m gold to find out...

[Karth]

Guys, keep in mind that things like on-weapon IAS and dexterity complicate the math someone has to do when you ask for help with things like this. To make things simple for the person doing the math (or putting things in a spreadsheet... *whistles*) it helps to have things listed more like this:

Weapon damage per hit, weapon type (IE crossbow, bow, hand crossbow), and other stats on the weapon (dex, crit damage, ias)

Off-weapon IAS, +damage, crit chance from gear, crit damage from gear, dexterity (without a weapon with +dex equipped), and which passives you're using.

Otherwise you have to reverse-engineer some stuff to compare anything even moderately complex, when this is otherwise very easy.

Which is better? I'd rather not pay 1.5m gold to find out...

When standing in caltrops with the rogue, the crossbow does 3880 dps before dexterity, and the bow does 3766 dps before dexterity. Not standing in caltrops, the crossbow does 3422 dps and the bow 3495 dps. I can't say how much the extra dexterity helps because I don't know how much you have without a weapon. If you're using sharpshooter I'd suggest the crossbow.

Simply put, is it worth giving up 150 weap dmg for 60% increased crit dmg?

I assume 2.6 attacks per second is with the blue bow since you say 'giving up' as if you already own it. If so, the blue bow is better, with 1953 dps vs 2012 dps before passives and such since they're the same with either of these. You'd need more chance to crit before the crit damage on the rare bow becomes greater than the extra damage on the magic bow.

[gakky]

simple math letting dext and other ias issues behind:

1100 dps + 20% crit (1100*0.2*crit modifier(0.5)) = 1210 dps
vs
950 dps + 20% crit (1100*0.2*(0.5+60highercrit(0.6)) = 1192 dps

if your crit is not 20% but lower - the effect gets smaller (the high dps weapon is better) - if your crit is higher than 20 - the effect gets higher _> the low dps weapon is better

i was too lazy to calc with your values but from guessing i would say 950 weapon =better

He already has a lot more than 50% crit damage. The 1100 works out way better on average damage :
1100 * (1 + .21*1.13) = 1361
950 * (1 + .21* 1.73) = 1295

[gakky]

I have a similar dilemma. However I feel my situation will pose a more clear-cut question:
My crit chance is 39% base, 52% with caltrop buff and scoundrel, I have 65% crit damage from non-weapon items (and 50% base of course), for 115% crit bonus.

Now compare:
750 dps 2H-xbow, with a socket w/ Star Emerald (+60% crit damage) and 80% crit damage mod, and archery for 190% crit bonus, attacking 2.2 times per second.

1180 dps bow, no socket, +89 dex +15% IAS, for +89%WD + 15% total damage from Archery, attacking 2.8 times per second.

Which is better? I'd rather not pay 1.5m gold to find out...

For pure damage I think the 1180 is always going to be better. If I have any doubt between 2 weapons the higher DPS is generally better.
750 * (1+.52*3.05) = 1939
1180 * (1+.52*1.15)*1.15 = 2168

[Hadrial]

Preferably you would need to know the damage range and APS of each weapon.

[direfire]

simple math letting dext and other ias issues behind:

1100 dps + 20% crit (1100*0.2*crit modifier(0.5)) = 1210 dps
vs
950 dps + 20% crit (1100*0.2*(0.5+60highercrit(0.6)) = 1192 dps

if your crit is not 20% but lower - the effect gets smaller (the high dps weapon is better) - if your crit is higher than 20 - the effect gets higher _> the low dps weapon is better

i was too lazy to calc with your values but from guessing i would say 950 weapon =better

You typed in 1100 in your calculation for the 950 weapon.