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    1h vs. 2h help

    So, I'm feeling pretty dumb right now. I can't, for the life of me, figure out why I would use a 2h instead of 2 1h's with my barb. What makes this more frustrating to me is that all the 2h weapons I'm finding or can buy/craft (not counting AH) seem to have the same DPS as all the 1h I'm finding.

    Short scenario: I have 2 1h axes that do 30 DPS each. I find a 2h that does maybe 32 DPS. I equip the 2h thinking I'll get more damage out of it, but that's simply not the case. My damage number on my paper doll goes down.

    I understand that my damage number on my paper doll is based on the damage of my 2 1h's together, hence the higher number. But is that not a good indicator of the actual damage I'll be doing vs. using a 2h? Are any of my barb's skills going to be better/worse using the 2h vs. 1h's?

    I guess I'm just confused as to why I'd ever want to use a 2h since the DPS on just about every one I've found is roughly the same is any individual 1h I've found.

    What am I missing?




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    Re: 1h vs. 2h help

    DPS will be similar, as it is artificial damage per second, but look at it's factual damage and try it out, how you feel killing with it.



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    Re: 1h vs. 2h help

    You were just unlucky on your 2h drops, normally 2h weapons of equivalent quality have somewhat more dps. Dual wielding gives an inherent 15% attack speed increase so if the dps is the same between the 1h and the 2h, the 1h's will be better.




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    Re: 1h vs. 2h help

    What does inherent mean in that context? That it speeds up the (in D2 terms) base speed of a weapon by 15%? That would mean that no matter how many IAS from items and skills the tharacter has, that 15% will effectively lead to 15% more DPS and charging up of frenzy speed and fury by 15%, correct?



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    Re: 1h vs. 2h help

    As i see it the only reason to dualwield 2x1h is for the stats and for the faster fury.
    The downside of dualwielding is that you have to find 2 very equal weapons, since you only hit 15% faster and you switch between the weapon you hit with, so the worse weapon will steal a hit from the good weapon.

    Another thing you have to take into account is your abilities, you may gain fury faster with 2x 1h weps, but the ability damage is not calculated from your dps but from your weapon damage*multipliers

    and since 2h weps usually hit slower they have a higher base weapon damage,thus increasing the damage from your abilities.

    Sadly i cant say anything about how the attack speed is calculated.



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    Re: 1h vs. 2h help

    Hm. OK, so let me try this then; on purely a damage level, if my two 1h's are 30 DPS each, would a 2h need to be more than 60 DPS to make up the damage output, or is that not the case? I do understand that base weapon damage would be higher with a 2h, but that still doesn't help me mentally translate all that into real damage output when comparing weapons swaps.

    As much as I hated DPS checks in WoW (boy, do I not miss that) I still wish there was some decent way to find out my real damage output when swapping out weapons.




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    Re: 1h vs. 2h help

    @krischan
    Quote Originally Posted by Some guy on the internet
    My dagger has 19% IAS. I have a 15% IAS ring. My character sheet is telling me I attack 2.05 times per second.
    1.5 * 1.19 * 1.15 = 2.05275
    Seems like it.

    @dragon
    Like they already said, the 15% IAS bonus accounts for the increase in DPS. I'm pretty (not at all) sure that you can just go 30*1.15 = 34.5 DPS, i.e a 2-hander needs to do more than 34.5 DPS to beat two 30 DPS weaps.



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    Re: 1h vs. 2h help

    The problem is that abilities dot use DPS, they use weapon dmg.

    A 1H weapon might do 100-200 dmg with 2 attacks per second, making the DPS 300.

    A 2H weapon might do 200-400 dmg with 1 attack per second, making the DPS 300.

    Seems pretty clear that the 1H is better because you still have an extra open item slot, right? Well, I you use a ability that does 200% of weapon damage it's hitting twice as hard with the 2H weapon then with the 1H weapon. However, you're not generating fury as quickly with the 2H weapon because of its fewer attacks per second, so maybe you can only use that ability half as often making the overall dmg output the same (DPS); 2 small attacks or one big one. The problem is those relationships are not so clear cut and it's not quite so easy to decide what's best without trying out different weapons with different skills.



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    Re: 1h vs. 2h help

    Quote Originally Posted by RAWR View Post
    The problem is that abilities dot use DPS, they use weapon dmg.
    Says who? The tooltip?



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    Re: 1h vs. 2h help

    Quote Originally Posted by RAWR View Post
    The problem is that abilities dot use DPS, they use weapon dmg.

    A 1H weapon might do 100-200 dmg with 2 attacks per second, making the DPS 300.

    A 2H weapon might do 200-400 dmg with 1 attack per second, making the DPS 300.

    Seems pretty clear that the 1H is better because you still have an extra open item slot, right? Well, I you use a ability that does 200% of weapon damage it's hitting twice as hard with the 2H weapon then with the 1H weapon. However, you're not generating fury as quickly with the 2H weapon because of its fewer attacks per second, so maybe you can only use that ability half as often making the overall dmg output the same (DPS); 2 small attacks or one big one. The problem is those relationships are not so clear cut and it's not quite so easy to decide what's best without trying out different weapons with different skills.
    This. Thanks for wording it this way. I can finally wrap my brain around it.

    In the end, it seems to be more about the trade off between fury generation and damage than just DPS, which was tripping me up.

    So, I can get more damage from the 2h, but might not generate fury as quickly as 2 1h's. Thanks, RAWR. Now I get it.




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